From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH wrote: How could A&E have sinned, IF they did not know right from wrong?
Judy: They knew it was right to obey the voice of the Lord who was their Creator and they knew they had done wrong after the fact because guilt and shame were all over them. When you told your child not to do something for their own safety and well being and they did it anyway - did you spank/punish them or did you rationalize that this could not have been wrong because they did not comprehend your whole mindset and find some way to make it good? DaveH wrote: But.....is there any place in the Bible where A&E's eating of the forbidden fruit is referred to as a sin, or......do the Bible authors simply refer to it as a transgression? Judy: The author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit and sin is the transgression of the law" (see 1 John 3:4) A&E had just one law in the garden which was - don't eat of that fruit and they broke it which made them transgressors. DAVEH: Often (most) times that is the case. But not always, IMHO. Look at James 4:17......."Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." This begs the question, does it not did Adam & Eve knoweth to do good prior to partaking of the fruit Judy: Yes they did. Obeying God is what they KNEW to do and this is always GOOD. Disobeying God is BAD because transgressing His law is sin. This is HIS definition and the only one that will count for eternity. DAVEH: As I pointed out previously, God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden for a reason. Judy: Yes He was testing A&E to see if they would choose what is good. DAVEH: And IMHO, he not only knew Adam would partake of the FF, but he intended him to do so. I assume you believe Jesus was foreordained to be our Savior and Redeemer before the foundation of the world, DavidM? (1Pt 1:10). If that is so, then God had to place the FF in the presence of A&E in order that they could partake of it, as it was part of God's plan. Judy: What kind of convoluted thinking is this? God can not be tempted with evil, neither does He tempt any man. The above contradicts what has been written by the Spirit of God. You are listening to the wrong voice DAVEH. DAVEH: It seems to me that (original) sin was attributed to Adam's transgression in post Biblical traditions of the apostate church. OS is something LDS theology considers erroneous doctrine. We believe men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. That is why Christ's free gift of the (physical) resurrection is given to all men, whether good or bad. Judy: Both ideas are false and unscriptural. Jesus would not have had to shed his blood and become a sacrifice for sin that was non-existent. Without Adam's fall this would not have been necessary. Yes Jesus died for ALL men however, ALL men will not be resurrected to eternal life in Him; at the last day there will be sheep and there will be goats. Only those who have come to the sacrifice and have deal with their sin issues God's way will be resurrected into eternal life. DAVEH: Do you believe those who are not born again will be punished after this life for the sins their parents may have committed? I ask that to try to understand how Adam's sins transfer to you. Or.....is it just Adam's transgression that transfers, and not his other sins? To me it seems a bit strange that God would hold somebody responsible for another's sins, but I'm looking at it through biased eyes. Judy: Maybe it would be easier to understand DAVEH if you look at the two trees in the garden as trees of wisdom. The tree of life being God's Word and the other tree the word of the adversary. People who represent God are to be oracles of God in this world. The alternative is to be an oracle for satan. It may be more conducive to focus on 'righteousness' and how to receive this gift rather than what everyone thinks about everything. Who do you choose to be an oracle for in this world? ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
