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From: "Jensen, John T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The
most interesting question to me is how you, as a Protestant,
know:
- what is Scripture (i.e. which
writings are Scripture and which not)
- why it is Scripture (i.e. why those
writings have authority - are
something that you will be
"judged by" in your words)
Greetings John: Scripture? Jesus
called Moses and the Prophets
scripture; he also said that we would be judged by the
words He spoke
and these are recorded in the four gospels. I
hope you are not going
to make the claim that we would not have a Bible apart
from the rcc.
and make the claim that the church came before the
scriptures.
[jj]
Let's slow down just a bit. Talk about the first question first.
Which
writings are Scripture? Which are not? Why is this so?
jt: The writings of Moses and the Prophets
are scripture, Jesus
said so. And the writings of the apostles
are scripture.
[jj]
You have spoken of Jesus' words in the Gospels. Granting that
we
all start from God first, Jesus as His Son, then that makes His words
authoritative for us. It is a long way from there to the
whole New Testament,
not
to mention the question which books of the OT are in fact
authoritative.
[jj]
So...
jt: Do you question them
John? Which ones don't you believe?
[jj] Is
Tobit Scripture? If not, why not? Remember, Jesus does
not quote
from each OT book, and in any case it seems to me a long
jump from
the fact that He quoted from the OT to the assumption that
they are
Scripture.
jt: You really think Jesus would be
quoting from heretical material?
[jj] Is
James Scripture? Luther didn't think so. It said that we
are not
saved by faith alone. If you think James is Scripture, why
do you
think so?
jt: James actually handled the Word of
Truth, Luther was deceived for
a large part of his life. I
wouldn't throw out James epistle because
of
Luther. Would you
John?
[jj] Is the
Shepherd of Hermas Scripture? Much of the early church
thought so,
until the 'RCC' said it wasn't. If you don't think so, why
not?
jt: I've never read the Shepherd of Hermas
so I can not really
comment. Which years are you speaking of
when you say "early
church?"
judyt God allows the devil to raise up
heretics
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