This is turning into heretic talk!
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: "Jensen, John T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>The most interesting question to me is how you, as a Protestant, know:- what is Scripture (i.e. which writings are Scripture and which not)- why it is Scripture (i.e. why those writings have authority - aresomething that you will be "judged by" in your words)Greetings John: Scripture? Jesus called Moses and the Prophetsscripture; he also said that we would be judged by the words He spokeand these are recorded in the four gospels. I hope you are not goingto make the claim that we would not have a Bible apart from the rcc.and make the claim that the church came before the scriptures.[jj] Let's slow down just a bit. Talk about the first question first.Which writings are Scripture? Which are not? Why is this so?jt: The writings of Moses and the Prophets are scripture, Jesussaid so. And the writings of the apostles are scripture.[jj] You have spoken of Jesus' words in the Gospels. Granting thatwe all start from God first, Jesus as His Son, then that makes His wordsauthoritative for us. It is a long way from there to the whole New Testament,not to mention the question which books of the OT are in fact authoritative.[jj] So...jt: Do you question them John? Which ones don't you believe?[jj] Is Tobit Scripture? If not, why not? Remember, Jesus doesnot quote from each OT book, and in any case it seems to me a longjump from the fact that He quoted from the OT to the assumption thatthey are Scripture.jt: You really think Jesus would be quoting from heretical material?[jj] Is James Scripture? Luther didn't think so. It said that weare not saved by faith alone. If you think James is Scripture, whydo you think so?jt: James actually handled the Word of Truth, Luther was deceived fora large part of his life. I wouldn't throw out James epistle because ofLuther. Would you John?[jj] Is the Shepherd of Hermas Scripture? Much of the early churchthought so, until the 'RCC' said it wasn't. If you don't think so, why not?jt: I've never read the Shepherd of Hermas so I can not reallycomment. Which years are you speaking of when you say "earlychurch?"
judytGod allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people study
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