RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

[ShieldsFamily]

Lance,   I’m asking YOU not to be so simplistic. I like the thoughts that you brought up, but you did not expand on them very much.  In what way do you think that we only persons in relation with other persons? For example, my dog and cat are very relational.  They follow me around the house, up and down the stairs, and into every room I’m in all day long.  They want to be with me, hear my voice, see what I’m doing.  They even love being just with each other when there are no people around.   There are people who think they are very relational who are just like my dog and cat.  They have to be with someone all the time or they aren’t happy.  They are, in fact, terrified of being alone.  Why? Because they have no concept of being themselves apart from who they are in relation to others.  They look to other people to define who they are.  They think that, alone, they are nobody.   I think a well-adjusted human being is both relational (needing someone to relate to, talk to, listen to, care for, etc.) AND needs also to have time apart, alone, by themselves, isolated, etc.  You can get warped in one direction or the other.  I MUST have time alone, and large doses of it, in order to get back into relationship with others (which can be very depleting.)  I must have time alone in order to read, think, create, commune with the Lord, contemplate His Word, listen to His voice, or just listen to the grass growing in the back yard.   So, I do not think “relationship” entirely defines us as human beings; only one aspect of our personhood. Nor do I think it defines God, entirely. He probably needs as much “space” from us, at times, as we need from each other.   And thank God for the “delete” button on TruthTalk.   Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection   Anyone out there old enough to remember Burns & Allen? Say goodnight Gracie. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2004 09:19 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection   So, If a person were stranded on an island with no one to commune with, they would cease to be a person? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection   It is the difference between a monad and a person. It is the relational. God is God ONLY as Father, Son & Spirit. We are who we are ONLY as persons in relation with other persons. Clear/Muddy? Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2004 08:09 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection     Lance, what do you mean by that? What does “in communion” mean to you? Izzy I believe that our being is in communion.