----- Original Message -----
Sent: April 13, 2004 09:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
John wrote > Even
though DavidM believes in sanctification, he is not perfect and his
imperfection comes to light in much of his discussion.
David responds > Are
you saying that you have observed immorality within me because of this
discussion?
David. Perhaps it is too soon to get back in the
fray. If it is, please disregard this and forgive me. I think I see what John
is talking about. Believe me, brother, when I say I also think it may be
something which you cannot see. I am thinking that perhaps you and I are very
much alike personality-wise. We share the same passion, commitment,
tenacity, and to some extent, intensity. David, I truly did not write
intending to hurt you. I wrote hoping to help you. But I was so on track with
what I was doing, I failed to be tactful. And this is not because I didn't
think I was being tactful, but because tact is something I have to work very
diligently at in order to accomplish. I did not work diligently enough on this
occasion. And so, what was it that hurt you, and what did my post
accomplish? I hurt you, I believe, with my lack of clarity concerning our
accuser. Well, that was right off the bat, then, wasn't it? Before I even got
to the substance of my post, I had already hurt you. That doesn't make much
sense if you're me, does it? I wanted you and everyone to read my post and get
my point: this is what I am doing; this is my motive. . . Ah but because
I had actually failed to be tactful, my actual motive was missed and a new
pseudo-motive immerged in the mind of my readers, confusing most
everyone, and hurting you and Izzy especially.
David, I want to ask you this, because it is
something I have struggled with my whole life. I do not intend to hurt people,
but in actuality I hurt them deeply, more than anyone -- the least of intents,
doing the most harm. Is this not a moral imperfection on my part?
David, I think you are kind of like this too.
Please do not be hurt by what I'm saying. I have thought not stop since
yesterday and I think I'm on to something. I believe you, David, when you say
that you were only asking questions. You were not intending to impugn my
character. You were on track and simply asking questions, that you might learn
more. I can see that now -- but I couldn't see it earlier, because it felt
like an attack (please reread your last two or three posts to me and see if
you can pick up on what I'm saying). Because of how I felt by what you were
saying, a pseudo-motive immerged and I missed the actual intent; I missed your
actual motive. In other words, I'm guilty of doing to you in yesterdays post,
what you were guilty of doing to me in the preceding posts. The question is,
what are we guilty of? I think the accuser, the real accuser, is picking up on
whatever that quirk is of our personality type and using it to our
disadvantage. And so no surprise there, right? I don't think this is
necessarily a sin problem, but I do think it has moral implications. It is
certainly an imperfection on my part. What do you think about
this?
bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:43
AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
> John wrote:
> > Even though DavidM believes in
sanctification, he is
> > not perfect and his imperfection comes to
light in much
> > of his discussion.
>
> Are you saying
that you have observed immorality within me because of
> this
discussion?
>
> I have said that I am not perfect in
knowledge. Nobody is or will be
> until after the
resurrection. That is why we need the Holy Spirit.
> Human frailty
causes us to be dependent upon Him. I hope that you are
> not
confusing moral perfection with being perfect in knowledge.
>
>
There are many ways in which I am not perfect. I might drop my
car
> keys. I might not know or understand a great many
things. I cannot
> bench press 600 pounds. Human frailty is
still with me. The question
> is, does this human frailty mean
that I will always continue to sin?
> The natural human answer to this
question is yes. The promise of the
> gospel is no, Christ has
provided a solution to the problem of sin.
>
> What have I
said in this discussion that constitutes sin in your eyes?
> Please
quote it for me. It is very easy for you to sling ad hominem
>
insults and judgments, but it takes a little more effort to articulate
>
your viewpoint. You have raised a very serious accusation against
my
> Lord by saying that I have not been sanctified. I consider it
100% his
> job to sanctify me, and you are claiming that He has failed
to do that.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly
Hills, Florida.
>
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