Izzy:(adj)suffered or done by one person as a substitute for another; "vicarious atonement". The vicarious life and death of the Mediator is a teaching central to that which I believe. I've said so on numerous occasions and you've 'Amened' it. No, I don't believe that everyone will go to heaven. Lance (I've also said that on numerous occasions) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 20, 2004 10:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ
> Lance, What do you mean by "vicarious". Do you mean that everyone goes to > heaven? I don't understand your question. Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ > > Izzy:I do not consider myself a universalist.If, however, God considered > Himself a universalist I wouldn't be angry. > I believe that Jesus' Humanity is vicarious. In the 'second Adam' all of > humanity, from the first to the last, are included. Any exclusion is not of > God's doing. > Isn't it interesting how 'invested' we are in the particular way we come > (through personal reading of Scripture, books, bible study groups, sermons > etc.) to see & then to speak of God's Nature and Gospel. > I believe it to be the case that some from among all of these 'ways of > seeing' (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant & Independent}will inhabit the > kingdom to come. Perhaps some of the 'nuances' matter more to us than to > God. Let me hasten to add, however, SOME DO NOT. May I then ask of you (and > anyone who chooses the join in) what falls into the latter category for > yourself? > Lance > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: May 19, 2004 16:19 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ > > > > > > Jonathan, Lance and John, do any of you consider yourselves to be > > Universalists? How do you identify and define your idealology? Just > > (really) wondering. Izzy > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
