Lance, What do you mean by "vicarious". Do you mean that everyone goes to heaven? I don't understand your question. Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ Izzy:I do not consider myself a universalist.If, however, God considered Himself a universalist I wouldn't be angry. I believe that Jesus' Humanity is vicarious. In the 'second Adam' all of humanity, from the first to the last, are included. Any exclusion is not of God's doing. Isn't it interesting how 'invested' we are in the particular way we come (through personal reading of Scripture, books, bible study groups, sermons etc.) to see & then to speak of God's Nature and Gospel. I believe it to be the case that some from among all of these 'ways of seeing' (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant & Independent}will inhabit the kingdom to come. Perhaps some of the 'nuances' matter more to us than to God. Let me hasten to add, however, SOME DO NOT. May I then ask of you (and anyone who chooses the join in) what falls into the latter category for yourself? Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 19, 2004 16:19 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ > > Jonathan, Lance and John, do any of you consider yourselves to be > Universalists? How do you identify and define your idealology? Just > (really) wondering. Izzy > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.