[TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Judy, You seem to be having an identity crisis here.    jt:  I can't imagine why you would think such a thing.   Is the viewpoint below what the Bible says or what you perceive the Bible says?    jt: You and Lance just love the word "perceive", it's where we hang all our differences - right?   All you can claim is that it is your interpretation of what the Bible says.    jt: That's all anyone who doesn't see it as you do is able to do so far as you are concenrned isn't it?   You can go so far as saying that you believe the Holy Spirit revealed this interpretation to you through scripture.  However, you can never divorce what is your interpretation from what may actually be being said.  This notion seems to give you fits.  It has been illustrated to you time and time again yet you cannot see it.   jt: The same is true for you, Lance, TFT, Bill and whoever else is hanging onto your peculiar view of the incarnation. I have no problem with my vision and am not in the habit of taking fits.  Wrong on both points.   At some point in time you will have to learn how to read your Old Testament through the lens of Jesus Christ.    jt: No problems with the OT Jonathan. God does not change.  He says "I am the Lord, I change not"  Neither does Jesus who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever"  Looks to me as though the problem is yours rather than mine.   Deuteronomy 28 and 29 must be understood in the light of who Jesus is and what He has done.  If you read it with an Israeli mindset you will come out all wrong.  If you choose a Christian mindset (and I pray that you do) you will finally come to understand the law and its place in our lives.    jt: There is just one mindset with which to read God's Word and this is the "mind of the Spirit" which is the same as "the mind of Christ"  I don't place myself or anyone else under the law. You really need to understand sin and it's ramifications in the lives of people Jonathan.  Righteousness is something you do, it is not a concept of the incarnation.   When you do that you will find yourself with a new Bible, one that still speaks today to our hearts, one that illuminates salvation, one that edifies instead of destroys.  You will begin to worship the Word instead of the word.   jt: I don't want or need a "new Bible" the ones I have speak to my heart all the time. I want to know God's ways and walk in them. What would make you imply that the Bible does not speak to my heart? This is really a presumptuous statement.   Interestingly enough Izzy who is as mad as a hatter at me right now actually gave a compassionate reply to my statement below.  Although she may agree with you doctrinally she is in a whole other class when it comes to compassion.  I feel that you believe your doctrine below so much that it limits your ability to be loving; perhaps it is time for the truth.   jt: We are different and if you prefer Izzy's way, no problem. It's true that I'm not into that kind of compassion with myself or with others.  It's too easy to stroke the flesh and fall for self pity and other snares.  My way of loving people is being up front and speaking the truth to them; I don't play mind games or word games, I don't get mad and I don't take fits. You may not appreciate my part of the body today but hopefully you will before that day.               From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Mediation of Christ -- the real vs false   From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy has made many comments on the link between sin and illness.  I believe her viewpoint to be completely unbiblical and extremely hurtful to those that live with illness regardless of the severity.    jt: I agree Jonathan that sickness is hurtful and so is sin - it is hurtful to us and everyone around us. Judy is not the one making that connection Jonathan.  Believe it or not it is Biblical. There would be no sickness but for sin and God Himself outlines the blessings that come from obedience and the curses that come through disobedience (which are every sickness and plague that can be named) in Deuteronomy 28 and Deuteronomy 29. Just because noone wants to accept this or talk about it today does not make it invalid.   jonathan: This is an extremely touchy subject for me as I have lived with chronic illness for the last 16 years.  You should see the posts that I have drafted in my head in response.  The reason they have never seen the light of day is because I know it would not be wise to post them.  This is one of my sacred cows.   jt: Not unusual Jonathan; there is hardly a family alive who has not or is not touched by something chronic, either physically or behaviorally, and that inclues me and mine. I am still dealing with my own stuff but I find denial gets one nowhere.  It's good to agree with God because only the truth will make any of us free - experientially free - not just in theoretically free.   Judyt