Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

[Lance Muir]

Jt:What's this 'blood' fettish thing ya got goin on JT? No. You inhabit 'wrong city' on this issue. He is truly, completely one of us.   PS:You can be quite wrong  on this and still be SAVED so, don't lose any sleep over it. PPS:I'm coming to think that 'exactitude theologically' may be more important to you than to me. I think that's why yer alway fightin with people on TT. (If the archives do not support me on this then..well..may I only get one tomatoe sandwich for lunch)  ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 21, 2004 10:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jt:Check Heb 2:16-18.   jt: Jesus partook of human flesh without partaking of the effect of Adam's blood.  Heb 2:14 says "forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same....."   In this verse the "children" that is, the human children are said to be partakers of flesh and blood, and then speaking of Jesus, this verse says that He himself likewise took part of the same.  The word "took part" as applying to Christ is an entirely different word from "partakers" as applied to the children.  The word translated "took part" implies "taking part in something outside one's self"  The Greek word for parkakers is KOYNOHENO and means to "share fully" so that all of Adam's children share fully in Adam's flesh and blood.   When we read that JESUS "took part of the same" the word is METECHO which means "to take part but not all" The children take both flesh and blood of Adam but Christ took only part, that is, the flesh part, whereas the blood was the result of supernatural conception....   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Second Adam = Assumption of first Adam's nature   jt: Where in all of scripture is the basis for the above presumption? He took upon Himself the "form" of man which is a body. He became flesh and blood like us, experienced the weariness and other limitations of flesh.   then redeeming it through 'spirit-empowered' obedience (i.e.fulfilment of the Abrahamic Covenant 'the unassumed is unhealed')   jt: The very fact of his birth is fulfilment of the Abrahamic Covenant which was a covenant of promise. He is that promise.  Lots of sickness in the world as well as the professing Church, not many apparently are assumed.    This has been referred to as the 'double movement of God' God to man(kind) & man(kind) to God (both by God)    Whose words are these?  Chapter?  Verse?         In a message dated 8/19/2004 8:00:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First Adam = fallen flesh Second Adam = Lifegiving Spirit Apparently one redundancy deserves another.  JD