Luk 1:6 And
they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord
blameless.
Good for the parents of John the B. Does
this mean that their righteousness exceeded the need for faith to be credited
to them in place of their righteous failures (Ro 4:14-25)?
I
find this interesting. Youâre not arguing with Tim (or me) on this point. Youâre
arguing with the One who oversaw its compilation. Another interesting point: the
Torah was never given as an alternative to faith. Historically, Jewish people have
never believed that the keeping of commandments was a way to be granted a place
in the World to Come. They [the Israelis] are Godâs Chosen People â faults and all
â and theyâre âin,â as a result. The Israelis have clung to this promise in faith.
Â-- slade
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No
one is saying that commandment keeping is out, certainly not me.
None of these passages say that one is lost because he fails in his commandment
keeping. None establish the Mosaical code. So if you agree with
that , then case closed...... but I will make a few comments.
John
In a message dated 9/1/2004 8:23:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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John said âIn the end, he comes up with commandment keeping and I do notâ. God Says â1Jo 2:4 He that
saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth
is not in him.
The
context for this statement is I John 1:7-9 and the rest of chapter 2. Its
a good read.
Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the
same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Amen
and so what.
Mat
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good
but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
So
we all have to sell what we own and follow him?
Luk 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord
blameless.
Good
for the parents of John the B. Does this mean that their righteousness exceeded
the need for faith to be credited to them in place of their righteous failures
(Ro 4:14-25)?
Jhn
14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Amen
and so what?
Jhn
14:21 He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved
of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Amen. He is discussing the place of the
commandments, not the work of grace in the face of imminent and certian
failure. (Ro 3:23)
Jhn 15:10 If
ye keep my commandments, ye shall
abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Do
you have any idea as to the nature of the commandments in view in this
context? Legalese or love of neighbor?
1Cr 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Do
you think Paul is invoking this idea, here in this text, to convice the
Corinthian reader to follow the advice is gives in the verses immediately
following?
1Jo 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Contextually
what is the nature of the commandment keeping in this text? A whole
raft of legalese or an inwardness known as love?
1Jo 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Ditto
to 2:3 comments.
1Jo 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are
pleasing in his sight.
Commandments
in view in this context -- legalese or believe in Jesus and love your
neighbor?
1Jo 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments
dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by
the Spirit which he hath given us.
Ditto
to 3:22 comments.
1Jo 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep
his commandments.
Commandments
-- legalese or love of the brethren/ (4:20,21)?
1Jo 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not
grievous.
Ditto
v 2 comments.
2Jo 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should
walk in it.
Ditto
on 2:3 comments above.
Rev
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments
of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev
14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev
22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the
gates into the city.
His
commandments are not burdensome -- love God and love your neighbor as
yourself.
C.
Tim Winkley
Aka Law Man
