Slade Henson wrote:
Paul as well. Acts 28:17
Your original observation was not about the fall of mankind Jonathan,
your statement was the the only one who had ever kept the commandments was
Jesus himself which was false. judyt
Actually this is how it went:
There has only been one person who ever obeyed
the Torah of God: Jesus Christ.
jt: False...There is the rich young ruler who
said (referring to the Commandments) "all these have I kept from my
youth up" and Jesus did not confront him and call him a liar. (Luke
18:21)
And as Kay points out there are also the
parents of John the Baptist, Paul, and I'm sure others if we really
searched.... Now who is it who will never
admit they are in
error????
Terry writes:
For a change, Jonathan may not be in error Judy..The rich kid was only
presented with five of the commandments. He quite obviously did not love
the Lord, his God, with all his heart, or he would have forsaken all he had to
follow him. He was a sinner, in need of a Savior.
judyt: My argument with Jonathan isn't whether or
not the young man was a sinner in need of a Savior - because everyone
in the house of Israel needed a Savior. it was whether he was walking in
all the light he had at the time in 'keeping the commandments' Jesus
named six of them in one of the other gospels (same incident) so he was
possibly walking in all the light he had at the time.
As for Paul, Kay; did he not claim to be the chief of
sinners? Jonathan wins this one hands down.
judyt: But the question is not whether or not
everyone needs a Savior, of course we all need a Savior and the intent of the
Law of Moses was never to take the place of the Promise. The question
was whether or not God knew what he was doing when he gave Moses his laws,
statutes, and commandments. I find it curious that so many believe this
because of certain Church doctrines that teach that God gave Israel a standard
they could never keep. How crazy is
that? Doesn't God know our frame .. or did he just do this to discourage
everybody and cause mankind to be even more condemned tand miserable than
they were already? Also how was it just to slay all those people in the
desert and on the plain of Moab since they were just poor old sinners who were
coming up short?
ALL have sinned. ALL come up short. ALL need a savior. Try to
remember that. There will be a written test later.
Terry
