In a message dated 11/24/2004 5:54:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


John S. wrote:
>Abraham was willing to have his wife sleep with men of power,
>on two different occasions to protect himself.    Faith in God?
>Hardly.

It is one thing for you to assign evil motives to me, but it is quite
another to ascribe evil motives to men like Abraham and David.  Do you not
realize that God is reading these e-mails and will hold you accountable?
How can you possibly make such harsh judgments on the motives of a righteous
man of God.  Not only do I not believe you in what you say above, but I
consider it bearing false witness against a most noble man of God.

>From my perspective, the man who believed God would raise his son from the
dead after he sacrificed him upon the altar is the same man who believed
that God would preserve his wife from the hands of evil men.  And Abraham
received the fruit of his faith, for no man touched his wife.  Rather, they
returned her in fear of their lives, asking Abraham to pray to God that God
would forgive them.



To date, your objections to my observations have been nothing but emotional banter.  In the case of Abraham,  I mentioned Abraham's lack of faith.   One of the two incidences I used can be found in Gen. 20.   There are a number of issues wrong in the life of Abraham at this juncture.   To begin, he did not trust in God to deliver him from perceived harm.  He cared not about the effect this might have on his wife.   He cared not what harm it might bring to Abimelech.   He offered no apology for the misrepresentation  --  instead accepted gifts that made him a rich man.   Does this mean that he is a dastardly man, not worthy of the covenant promises eventually fulfilled in Christ?   Well, let me put it this  --  it turns out that he was very much like us.  

As a child of God, I no longer fear my Father.   Sorry to see that you have not gotten passed this emotion.   

John



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