Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

[Judy Taylor]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:57:12 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   Jesus had to come as a descendant of Adam, with our same human tendency to sin, and overcome it by not sinning to restore us to Adam’s state.  If we are truly in Christ we now, like the original pre-fallen Adam, have a REAL choice of whether or not to sin.  We are now actually FREE to walk free of sin each moment, each day.   He who the Son sets free is free, indeed! Izzy   Hi Izzy, just a few thoughts to consider .... Why would Jesus have to come with the human tendency to sin?  The first Adam had no human tendency to sin before the fall and he made that choice anyway - Jesus had no tendency but he had the same opportunity when confronted with the voice of the same adversary in the wilderness and He chose not to.  The first Adam did not have Romans 7:17 type sin indwelling him before the fall.  Jesus the second Adam did not have Romans 7:17 type sin indwelling him either for if he had he would have been ineligible as a sacrifice for he would not have been a "spotless Lamb"   If we are truly in Christ we now, like the original pre-fallen Adam, have a REAL choice of whether or not to sin.  We are now actually FREE to walk free of sin each moment, each day.   He who the Son sets free is free, indeed!   jt: We are free so long as we consistently walk after the Spirit according to Romans 8:1b (which has been cut out of the NIV) but still this is not exactly like the pre-fallen Adam since he had no lust in his flesh (before the fall he was naked and without guilt or shame).  I used to believe that Romans 7 described the unregenerate man but have since learned that Paul had been born of the Spirit (or born again) for at least 20yrs when he wrote this.  The book of Romans is written to believers at Rome and Paul describes his own walk here. He worked out his own salvation with fear and trembling and wrote that he had NOT yet attained but he pressed on Phil 3:10-14.   Paul has been known to miss it. He called the High Priest a "whited sepulchre" and had to apologize for it; he also got into a fritz with Barnabus over John Mark.  For him it was a learning process like it is for us.  However, I don't see Jesus "missing it" at all, ever, during his earthly ministry even when he called ppl vipers and sons of their father the devil and when he cleansed the temple it was "righteous zeal" - He took our likeness upon himself but this likeness involved the limitations of human flesh in outward form only; it was at Calvary that he took upon himself our sin and the breach with the Father that it caused and this is why he cried "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?" as our substitute.   Grace and Peace, judyt.     .