JT opines > Aside from scripture Jesus
has said nothing to our generation Lance - so where do you go from
here?
What about when prophets, like David Miller, speak: Is that not a word from
Jesus to our generation?
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not "
loving"?
Response to my portion:'what Jesus says about
it' (to read:my particular understanding'interpretation of..) Amen by the
way as He was, is and, will
be the truth. That was Karl Barth's point in the fictitious
interview.
KB: The short answer
is not always. But it's more complicated than that. I'll get to that, but
for now let me just say that it contains quite a few errors of fact. The best that you
can say in that regard is that it is true as a whole.
So Karl Barth is smarter than God? He
knows facts that are not in God's Word?
Stu: What are we to
do, then--- if it contains errors !?
KB: You are placing your faith in the text of the bible, printed in
a book. The book an object made of paper, ink and a cover. You want to be
careful not to worship such an object, for it's not
God. It's just a book.
This
is not just paper, ink, and a cover - It is the Word of God about
which the Psalmist wrote "I will praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and
for thy truth, for thou hast magnified thy word above all
thy name" I sure am thankful that the Jews had better sense than Karl
Barth or we would all be up the creek without a paddle.
Stu: But that's all we
have.
KB: Not at all. If you can feel the spirit moving in you, you have
faith in Jesus Christ.
This
is Barth's standard of faith? What if it is a spirit of anti-Christ
moving in you? True faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of
God; How can you know what kind of spirit is moving in you apart from
the Word of God? - How do you know it is the holy one? Being
led by spirits and feelings is following after sensuality.
Stu: I don't see the
connection.
KB: [ picking up the
bible] Listen to this, from Jesus, in John 14:26. " I will send you the Holy
Spirit, who will teach you all things and bring all things to your
remembrance whatsoever I have said said to you."
Aside from scripture Jesus has said nothing
to our generation Lance - so where do you go from here? Do you just
wait to feel some spirit moving in you? Wait for some existential
encounter?
Stu: So what's true is
not the text itself, it's the existential
encounter with the Holy Spirit, during the reading of the text,
through which God's message is transmitted to us.
Not as I like it - but what Jesus says about
it. He's either the Truth or He isn't. Sadly it
appears His Words don't carry much weight these days in some circles. As for DavH's observation - why
would you think that these are Christian
ppl Dave? Jesus told the 'sons of thunder' who wanted to call down
fire on some Samaritans that "they didn't know what spirit they were of"
so what has changed? Apparently the disciples repented because
they continued on with Him. Ppl who are eager to consign others to
hell these days most likely have an anger problem. Sharon Rocha
told Scott Peterson that the devil wouldn't even have him and one of
Laci's siblings said they hoped he would burn in hell. So far I've
seen no indication that this family are Christian - so anger and
grief over their loss is understandable. God is glorified
however, when a crime is committed against a 'believer' and they publicly
forgive; or as we saw just recently in Georgia where a young widow
apprehended by a rapist who had just killed five ppl was able to stay calm
and read passages from The Purpose Driven Life to him because of her faith
in Christ; this is the fruit of righteousness. jt
OK, 'as you like it'.
Not so Lance, I have it on good authority
that it is out of the abundance that fills the heart that the mouth
speaks (Matt 12:34, Luke 6:45) -
Discernment 101 jt
'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning
what you've ascribed to them. Their hearts are
more gracious than their words, however.
DAVEH: My latest post is in
GREEN......
DAVEH: Not at all Izzy. I see Christians
as being eager when they use a phrase like "I hope you
burn in hell" when they disagree with the actions or beliefs
of others. While you may not have had such feelings about
non Christians, Izzy....I suspect there are a lot of Christians
who do feel that way. I quick net search and found numerous
references to such eager Christians, Izzy. Here's an
excerpt....
The "misunderstood" ADF headline incited
over 3000 hate messages to the school, ranging from the more
benign, "I hope you burn in Hell for all eternity," to the more
sinister late night calls like, "I know where you live and you
work at that God forsaken school." We had two sheriffs full time
on campus for two months, and it scared the daylights out of our
children.
.........Do you think there have been
any TTers who've hoped for such, Izzy? If so, I
would suggest they meet the eager definition.
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