JD, I would respond except that this is
past the point of discussion. You have an "attitude" and you
are shouting. jt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:31:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:26:03 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this:
Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS.
Jesus didn't live and die as the "King of the Jews" that was a title given by the Romans; in actuality He is the King
of the Kingdom of God which consists of ppl of every tribe and nation.
Read Jere 23: 5,6 the Christ coming as King. You deny this scripture.
Read Matt 2:2 The Magi looking for he who is "King of the Jews."
His Father is God the Holy Spirit and God the Father is not Jewish.
His lineage was Jewish.
So, are you denying that He was a Jew?
He was killed by the Jews.
Actually He was killed by the Romans at the insistence of the Jewish leaders (you didn't pay attn to Slade).
Do you deny Acts 2:36 where Peter, speaking to the Jews of Jesus says, " whom ye crucified."
How can you make this claim when the Church are the ecclesia or "called out ones" followers of The Way
The church was EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH THROUGH ACTS 7.
Are you denying that the church was Jewish in membership prior to Peter's vision? Then why the vision? And why on earth are you denying any of this. It is just rediculous.
God's Covenant was with Israel through Moses so the message was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel first.
All of his immediate disciples were Jews.
Everyone in the upper room (both occasions) were Jewish.
So you are now agreeing with me? This is exactly what I am saying.
Peter was sent to the house of Cornelius who was a worshipper and who gave alms and who God knew about. However
The expansion of the ministry (to the Gentiles) is first given to Peter in a vision sometime after the cross.
God was never completely exclusive and Jesus confronted the Jews with the fact that God passed over a lot of widows in Israel and Elijah was sent to one in the city of Sidon; also there were many lepers in Israel and Elijah healed Naaman a Syrian, (because the Jews were covenant breakers) which made the Jews so angry they wanted to push him off the brow of a hill.
No kidding -------- but that does not change the fact of His (Chrsit) statement that His ministry was one to the Jew and not the Gentile AND JESUS SAID, I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL MATT 10:24. Deal with it.
Lost sheep (covenant breakers) of the house of Israel. No kidding.
When Jesus sends his 12 out on mission, they are sent to the Jews and "not to the Gentiles ) Matt 10:5,6.
In Matt 15:24, Christ tells us that His mission is to the Jews and not to anyone else."
He said healing was the children's bread (children of the covenant) but did he or did he not heal the woman's daughter? HE SAID I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.
Why? How can this be? Because of John 4:7 -- "salvation is of the Jews."
Only because God's oracles were entrusted to them preserved by them for the rest of us; salvation is FOR whosoever will come. Of course and why are arguing with me about this, again?
When Christ speaks of the "few there be" who will accept the salvation offered to them, He is speaking to the Jews and of the Jews.
No His Words are not exclusively for the Jews and Jews alone. Read the parable of the sower JD. The field is the world. I don't know if I have used the word "exclusive" in anything I have written. If I have, that was a mistake. That does not change the fact that He came to the Jew only.............................................................. His words not mine.
Does He intend to included all of mankind? Absolutely -- and He does.
Glad he has your permission JD this is all you have to say in making your point and you wonder why I see rebellion and stubbornness in you, Judy.
But there is a politic to this inclusion that began with Adam and came down to the world through Israel.
God is not and never has been political; He is Sovereign Lord over all mankind. What ?? !! Do you think I am accusing Him of running for mayor ??!!! But, o.k., I will use a different word ---------- PROCESS.
The picture of the uncountable multitudes in Rev. 7 is a blessed hope for us all and is UNDENIABLE, folks (in a meaningful sense of the word.)
We can hope - but remember the disobedient and lawless don't make it.Der-ahh !!
I should get three points for this slam dunk !!!!
Pastor Smithson
