Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

[Judy Taylor]

Both Hebrews and Peter speak of being enlightened and then returning to sin, Peter likens it to a dog

returning to it's vomit and I believe Hebrews 6:6 speaks of it being impossible to restore someone again

who has experienced certain things and then falls away.  The difference between bulls/goats and Christ

has to do more with the Priest than the recipient.  jt

 

On Sat, 14 May 2005 23:27:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

Doesn't Hebrews teach us that the difference between the sacrifice of bulls/goats and the sacrifice of the Christ is the fact that it is offered  --  it was offered  ---   once and for all time?   there is a sense in which we are all saved  ("there is therefore now, no condemnation").   One is not saved until one commits a sin.   That is clearly not a biblical teaching IMO.   Are fat Christians saved?

 

 

 

 
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Who says we are "saved in spite of" our sin?  The idea is to let them go; sanctification is part of

the salvation scenario. One can not be an acting pedophile and ATST comformed to the image of Christ.  jt

 

On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:50:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If we are saved in spite of our sins, how is that this frequent repentor is lost or hell bound?

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I wouldn't put it off on God Caroline, we are responsible for our own actions. I recall an incident in a Church

we used to go to where a friend of mine had a Word of Knowledge given her about a regular brother who was a Church regular and in the habit of going to the altar every time there was an altar call for any reason.  She confronted him with what the Lord had shown her and he acknowledged it was true - He went on to say that he knew he could go to hell but that he liked what he was doing. Just like the pedophile priests in the RCC.  Until they learn to hate the sin as much as God hates it - and then want to be free more than anything else, they will continue in this bondage that leads to destruction both for them and their victims.  judyt

 

On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:09:25 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Regarding my comment on intentional sin

jt: None that I know of, under Levitical law they were cut off from the people.  We are told not to allow the sun to go down on our wrath and how does one get drunk or commit adultery unintentionally?  Drunkards and fornicators do not inherit God's Kingdom.  Under both Covenants it would take genuine repentance which BTW is also a gift and since this is out of our control (other than our willingness and desire) it should cause humility and godly fear.  judyt 

 

Caroline:

The first 5 chapters of Leviticus speak about atonement for unintentional sin. When I started reading Leviticus, I was freaking out because there does not seem to be atonement for intentional sin and all of us humans have been guilty of sinning intentionally at least once in our lives. Then there is Leviticus 6. Then there is the New Covenant. Judy, you're saying that if someone repents, then they are forgiven and that this is a gift from God.

 

Now we come to a pivot point. If it is God's desire that all men are reconciled to Him, then He gifts them with genuine repentance. And He is almighty so I can't see why He'll fail. But if God desire that some go to hell and some to heaven......