Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

[knpraise]

Not too bad of a question.   Quite often growth may appear to be vacillation.   If we define new birth as a putting on of Christ,  emphasis on a relationship,   then we might suppose that the resulting validation marking the difference between vacillation and growth is the benefit can see in the occurring changes.   If I am a better person,  growth has occurred.   If I have become more distasteful, something is wrong with the relationship.   After all, that is the way relationships work.  Soooo, "truth" can be said to exist IN THE BELIEVER if that believer becomes more and more like Christ.  

 

JD 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

JD are you Growing or Vacillating?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No one called you ignorant.  BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEBATE THIS TYPE OF COMMENT.  No more personal evaluation or extended defense for me.  I do not like aditting being wrong  --  but I was in this issue.  

 

Secondly, you seem to believe that spiritual growth does not include  continuing  maturity and change as applied to doctrine.    Whether one believes that God does not change has little to do with the changes occurring in our lives due  to the Spirit's influence in our lives.  One would think that the use of the concept  "babe in Christ" would imply the existence of immature thought and action within the life of a Christian.  

 

When addressing the limitations of a list such as this  --   what we say is one thing,  how we say and the choice of wording has everything to do with the "way we act."    How could it be seen differently.  such is our "performance."  

 

Jd

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:10:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

I understand what you are saying JD but you mix spiritual growth which is in flux and has to do with

obedience in our daily lives with doctrine - or what we believe.  They are related because "as a man

believes in his heart - so is he" but it is impossible for an internet list to evaluate how we perform so

we are limited to what we believe here .. and this is what I addressed.  What I wrote is relevant

unless you have a different objection.  Calling me ignorant breaks down communication and will

get us nowhere.  jt

 

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:58:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You really don't even try to understand what I am saying. 

 

Let's move on, shall we. 

 

Jd 

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We don't start all over again from the beginning JD; if we don't hold fast to what we already know and

understand as truth then we are in danger of slipping ie: "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed (attention) to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip."  Since Jesus is the

"same yesterday, today, and forever" Truth is not relevant to culture or changing times.  In fact when all else

is in flux - HE remains the same.  jt 

 

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:44:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It has occurred to me that if we speak and write with the view in mind that we at the beginning of another day of learning,  our hearts and minds will be more open to what God has instore.  Perhaps our doctrinal statements should not be "as if written n stone.'   But reflective of the growth that will begin again with the start of a new day. 

 

We would do less fighting and more growing. 

 

That is what I Cor 8:1-3 is saying,   ----   is it not?  Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing that is final, a closed systems of knowledge.  

 

Jd

 

 

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