Amen David!!
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: July 21, 2005 13:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Judy wrote:
It is scripture Bill. When I compare your words
with what is written I encounter huge problems.
I would like to compare some of Bill's words with Scripture. I think he
is
right concerning Christ's humanity. If you think there is some problem
with
his words when compared to Scripture, please start by posting what
Scripture
creates the problem in your mind.
Bill had already mentioned one passage, and you had posted an objection.
Romans 8:3
(3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh:
You object to this passage based upon the word "likeness," saying that
likeness does not mean the same. However, the word "likeness" can mean
more
"like" than what you are perhaps giving credit. Romans 6:5 speaks of us
being planted together in the likeness of his death, therefore, we shall
be
also in the likeness of his resurrection. Are you going to argue that we
will not be resurrected like Christ, but that his resurrection will be
something different from ours? I hope not.
In like manner, Phil. 2:7 speaks of Jesus being made in the likeness of
men.
Does this mean that Jesus was not really a man, but that he only looked
like
a man? I hope you would not argue that!
Now consider the very context of this passage. It is speaking to the
issue
of how Christ condemned sin in the flesh. We might ask, how? Well, part
of
Paul's point here is that he came in the likeness of sinful flesh. In
other
words, there is something about Christ becoming a man that enabled him to
conquer sin in the flesh. The salient point here is that his flesh had to
be like ours, warts and all, meaning, sin nature residing within it and
all
that. This does not mean that Jesus was a sinner. It means that his
flesh
tempted him in the same way that our flesh would tempt us.
To this agrees yet another passage of Scripture:
Hebrews 4:15
(15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the
feeling
of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet
without sin.
Compare this with the teaching of James that the source of all temptation
is
the flesh:
James 1:13-15
(13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God
cannot
be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
(14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and
enticed.
(15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when
it
is finished, bringeth forth death.
It seems rather clear that the flesh of Jesus was not sinless as the Roman
Catholics and Augustine teach, but rather his flesh was just like the
flesh
of the rest of mankind. His victory in the weakness of this flesh is very
important for us, for our hope of salvation from sin, and for our hope of
the resurrection.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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