I don't read Rom. 15:16 as indicating "present and ongoing" action even
though the syntax is the same. The context causes me to understand "being
sanctified" very similar to "having been sanctified." It is only a short
cut _expression_, kind of like a pronoun-verb contraction. Thanks for
sharing this, though. I now understand your point better.
Peace be with you. David Miller.
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Aw, Bill, you know this passage is not the same. This is a
perfect participle "hegiasmene" not a present passive, so I'm not sure
what your point is.
More specifically this is a perfect passive
participle, David. I state that very clearly below; moreover, my translation
conveys both of these aspects -- i.e., a perfected action in the passive
voice: "having been sanctified by the Holy Spirit." My question to you is What
do you think about translating a perfected act into an action whose
thrust is present and ongoing (cf. "being
sanctified")?
Bill
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Aw, Bill, you know this passage is not the same. This is a
perfect participle "hegiasmene" not a present passive, so I'm not sure
what your point is.
David M.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005
1:03 AM
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Kevin writes > please provide some other
passages where Sanctification is an "ONGOING EVENT"
I do not know of any --
but . . . if you are interested,
I can
show you an example of the KJV translating a perfect passive (in other
words, a completed event) into a present,
ongoing state:
Romans 15:16
"That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles,
ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles
might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy
Ghost."
A suggested
alternative could be, "having been sanctified by the Holy Ghost."
Hey David, what do you think on this one?
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
10:21 PM
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Kevin writes > please provide some other
passages where Sanctification is an "ONGOING EVENT"
I do not know of any --
but, contrary to Judy's claim, I can show you several that speak
of the act of our sanctification in the passive voice. Would you
like to see some of them?
Bill
I can show you an example of
the KJV translating a perfect passive (in other words, a completed
action) into a present, ongoing tense, if you are interested --
which, by the way, ought to qualify as another
mistake.
Romans 15:16 "That I should be
the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of
God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being
sanctified by the Holy Ghost."
A suggested
alternative would be, "having been sanctified by the Holy Ghost."
David, what do you think on this one?
Bill
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