Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:46:41 -0800

David  --  I do not understand your logic here.   If you admit that our sanctification is ongoing  -  how could you possibly argue that it is, at the same time,   completed?   "I am being made a better person"  presents an action that is not completed and that appears to to be obvious, to me.   Why is this not the case with "being sanctified?" 
 
Jd 
 
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Bill wrote:
> Per this verse, it is our sanctification
> which is not yet complete.
 
How do you read this into the text?  Nothing in this passage indicates that our present sanctification is somehow incomplete.  Granted, our sanctification may be ongoing, but to argue that a present tense indicates incompleteness is going beyond what is indicated by this text.
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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From: Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Well actually, "by one offering" is a prepositional phrase and not the subject of the sentence. The third person singular aspect of teteleioken conveys the subject of the sentence: "he"; but I don't expect you to agree with that, and I certainly don't expect you to be able to understand it.
 
Nevertheless, nothing I have said should lead you to the conclusion that I believe the one offering is not complete. Per this verse, it is our sanctification which is not yet complete. But I don't expect you to understand that either.
 
Bill
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

The subject of the sentence 10:14 is the ONE OFFERING so Bill is saying it is "Not yet Complete"

Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com> wrote:
I don't speculate on all that Bill because in my understanding the active part of sanctification requires
the cooperation of the one being sanctified; the kind of cooperation an unbeliever would be unable to
give.
 
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:11:28 -0700 "Taylor" <wmtaylor@plains.net> writes:
That's fine, Judy, but who in this discussion has argued that to sanctify does not mean the same as to set apart? That is not even a point of contention. Do you agree that this participle in Heb 10.14 reflect a sanctification which is passive (i.e., the action is being performed by someone other than the subject) and not yet complete?  Bill
 
I have no idea what you are talking about Bill.  However I do understand Hebrews 10:14
and the word "sanctified" in this instance means "set apart" in the same way that an unbelieving
wife is "set apart" in 1 Cor 7:14 which is "set apart in the sense that she is become the object of
focus because of the faith and influence of her husband.  It would be impossible for her to be
sanctified in any other sense because she remains unregenerated and dead in her trespass and
sin.
 
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:50:27 -0700 "Taylor" <wmtaylor@plains.net> writes:
Fair enough. Do you accept the present passive thrust of this verb? My impression is that you do not.
 
Bill
 
Are you living in some kind of delusion Bill?
My understanding of that text remains the same as it was, so please let's deal with reality here
rather than presumption.  jt
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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