Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:44:27 -0800

Chapter 30 Verse 5 Book Proverbs Every word of God is pure
PS 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
 
 I do not toss the greek out, just the obviously CORRUPTED Alexandrian greek text.
The ones with deletions insertions corrections erasures.
One only needs 0to look on their face to SEE they have been tampered with.
No GREEK NEEDED for that.
 
I do not accept checks with TEN different handwritings and crossed out words/numbers. Such a check is DISQUALFIED! Why should I use such MSS? Why would God use such MSS? He could not keep them pure? He needed some heretics to restore them by collating all the MSS & endlessly arguing what is the real intent?
 
This all streches credulity to the breaking point!
 Ninety-five percent of all evidence SUPPORTS the text of the King James Authorized Version. The new versions are supported by the remaining five percent evidence, which disagrees within itself, thus it is a disqualified witness again.
 
Faith in the KJV is based on its unfailing performance for 400 years, others come  and others go!
 
Besides the KJV fits the scripture PS 12 "PURIFIED Seven times"
  • 1384 - John Wycliffe translates the whole Bible into English for the first time in history. The "Church" repays him by condemning him as a heritic.
  • 1536 - William Tyndale burned as a heritic for his Bible translation work - the first printed English Scriptures.
  • 1537 - Myles Coverdale's Bible translation published "with the king's most gracious licence." Later, during "Bloody Mary's reign, he is hunted for his life and forced to flee England.
  • 1539 - Coverdale's "Great Bible" chained to the pulpits by order of King Henry VIII. Christians executed for reading the Bible without a licence.
  • 1555 - John Rogers burned to death for publishing the Mathew Bible; becomes the first victim of "Bloody Mary," queen of England.
  • 1560 - Queen Mary commands all "heretics" to return to Romanism or face the consequences. Many flee Geneva, and the exiled church leaders produce the Geneva Bible.
  • 1611 - The seventh major English translation of the Scriptures, the King James Bible, is published and adopted as "The Authorized Version".


    • [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
    So where is your chapter and verse pushing the KJV onto everyone and tossing the greek MSS out the window.   
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
    Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:40:46 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

    Chapter & verse?
     
    Or so say you? That settles it then!
     
    Hey if it is good enuff for JD, then its gotta be good enuff for you!

    [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
    It is not child like faith that disgards the MSS and preaches dependence on a single man-made translation, it is childishness.    :-) 
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
    Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:40:12 -0500
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

     
     
     
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    Sent: 11/25/2005 10:15:36 AM
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

    You misrepresent the B side of the room.   The final authority is what God wants me to see as I read a given text  .....................   not what a translator wants me to believe.   You want to toss the MSS and trust a given man-made edition of the bible without personal verification  --  be my guest.   I would be an ignorant man to do so  .................  not to mention the limiting effect it would have on what God is doing or teaching me in my life.  
     
    jd 
    cd: My recommendation for this solution is to have a simple child-like trust in the KJ-This type of trust invokes God and you will understand far more then what you glean from the Greek.
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
    To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
    Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:10:55 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

    cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and English
    languages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B of
    this room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of a
    dead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there to
    help them understand-No wonder Jesus marveled that God hid it from the wise
    and gave it to children
     
    The CREED of the Alexandrian Cult
    There is no final authority but God.
     
    Since God is a Spirit, there is no final authority that can be seen, heard, read, felt, or handled.
     
    Since all books are material, there is no book on this earth that is the final and absolute authority on what is right and what is wrong: what constitutes truth and what constitutes error.
     
    There WAS a series of writings one time ( called the Originals) which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.
     
    However, this series of writings was lost, and the God who inspired them was unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-52), and where the word 'Christian originated (Acts 11:26).
     
    So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called His Son OUT of Egypt (Matthew 2), Jacob OUT of Egypt (Genesis 49), Israel OUT of Egypt (Exodus 15), and Joseph's bones OUT of Egypt (Exodus 13).
     
    So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate (though, of course, there is no final, absolute authority for determining truth and error: it is a matter of "preference") are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although not quite.
     
    The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the German Reformation (Luther, Zwingli, Boehier, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide missionary movement of the English-speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitefleld, Wesley, and Chapman used.
     
    But we can "tolerate these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all. Since there is NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY that anyone can read, teach, preach. or handle, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what we prefer; let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.


    Dean Moore <cd_moore@earthlink.net> wrote:
    cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and English
    languages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B of
    this room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of a
    dead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there to
    help them understand-No wonder Jesus marveled that God hid it from the wise
    and gave it to children-Point-What do the teachings of Gods words instruct
    one to do-Then live by that-for you will be judged by that standard- if the
    heart is true to the intent of wanting truth-the proud will never see it
    anyway.


    > [Original Message]
    > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    > To:
    > Date: 11/24/2005 6:40:45 PM
    > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor
    >
    > Bill wrote:
    > > You highlight the problem with leaving off the
    > > present passive aspect of this participle, David;
    >
    > I have not left off the present passive aspect. In English, we don't
    > conjugate the participle this way, but the phrase is clear enough for
    those
    > of us who understand English. It carries over the present tense and
    passive
    > voice just fine.
    >
    > Bill wrote:
    > > hence loosing track of the unfinished- or
    > > incompleteness of it.
    >
    > You are reading to much into first year textbook definitions, Bill. I
    > expect more from you.
    >
    > Bill wrote:
    > > Do you presume to have finished the race,
    > > while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?
    >
    > No, of course not. My comments to Judy make this clear, and illustrate
    why
    > this thread is so ridiculous. I agree with you about the reality that
    > sanctification is an ongoing process. My comments to you concerned the
    > exe gesis of this one passage. Your question to me here misses my point
    > entirely. Regardless of how I answer your question (and you already know
    my
    > answer from past posts), the text you exegete is uneffected by the
    answer.
    > In other words, your question is irrelevant, so why waste the time asking
    > it?
    >
    > Present tense passive voice in English is the same as present tense
    passive
    > voice in Greek. Why are you trying to make out like it is something
    > different? It almost seems like you are presenting a situation where
    you,
    > as a student of Greek, have personal private knowledge that others lack.
    Do
    > you really think they are handicapped in understanding this passage
    because
    > of their lack of formal education in the Greek language?
    >
    > Peace be with you.
    > David Miller.
    >
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