On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:27:19 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 
Oophs!  Possibly I should have said "God the Word" - When IYO did He actually become Jesus?
 
 
And you are saying that you asked me this question earlier -- hmmmmm.    Well, Jesus means "Yah saves."
 
Joshua means the same - it is another way of saying Jesus.
 
If your theology is such that the fall was either predetermined or inevitable from eternity past, then God the Word was always Jesus, his identification as such coming by revelation to Joseph.
 
The angel spoke to Mary before Joseph had any revelation and Mary was told "Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.  He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest and the Lord God shall give unto
him the throne of his father David...." (Luke 1:31)
 
IF the fall was not one of those, then "God" the Word took on the "Savior" aspect when humanity fell.
 
How about when he was begotten in the womb of Mary?  Shall call, shall be, shall be, and shall give all sound like future tense to me.
 
At this point in my sojourn I believe there was an inevitability about the fall. Paul writes, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, ... as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world"; that is to say that humans were chosen in "Yah saves" before any were even created; i.e., before any had done anything needy of salvation, yet the name implies the eventual necessity. Bill
 
That's because God is transcendent, omnipresent, and omnicient so that He knows all things before they happen...  However, ATST
this does not mean that he ordains or decrees them, and especially not if they are evil, since he can not be tempted by/with evil.
 
 
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:14:10 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I don't ask either of these questions Bill but this is beside the point....
Your question to me was "When did Jesus receive the Holy Spirit?"
My question to you is "Do you believe the Word of God was/is full of the Holy Spirit?"
 
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:01:52 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 
 
I asked [Bill] a question ... he has as yet failed to acknowledge. 
 
Judy, I have reviewed your posts and do not know what "question" you want me to answer. You often ask rhetorical questions that go unanswered. You also ask wife-beating questions that I cannot answer without affirming a belief I do not hold. Please post your question again, along with the context in which it was asked. I'll consider answering it then.
 
Thanks,
Bill
 
 

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