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"What we have here is a failure to communicate"
Spoken by 'the captain' to 'Luke' in 'Cool Hand Luke'. This is one remarkable
flick!
So much virtual 'ink' is spilled on TT when we
write/quote/cite from the framework that all that needs saying just was said (by
us, of course) along with the built-in inference that to see the matter
otherwise is to show yourself a dunderhead.
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Sent: February 04, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting
observation
cd: The need for the sin offerings wasn't because the people could not do
as instructed- Dean !! the
offerings of bulls and goats was, indeed, for sin AS DEFINED BY THE
LAW. Before the law, there was not sin (no definition for
sin.) it is a way of removing the quarrel we had
with God by the sin- which is mingled with innocent blood that God loves to
make the offering more pleasing. Forgiveness
is always a consideration in the mind of God. Sin offering in the
Old Law was always a typical preview of the offering of
Christ. If man cannot save man, certainly a goat cannot get the
job done, as well. Those sacrifices worked only because
of their predictive attachment to the sacrifice of
Christ. His offering was "once and for all time,"
reaching the past, the present and future [which, of course, is "all
time."] We can keep from
sin Again, Dean, it is not what we
can do but what we will do. We can
be perfect -- and Christ proved this - but we
simply are not going to do it, none of us. And so "none is
righteous, no not one." John as we
are not renewed in weakness by in power.If we couldn't do so there wouldn't be
any punishment for that sin. And,
indeed, we who are in Christ have escaped judgment !! Are you not
aware of the scriptures that teach such?
The would be not need to
put off the old man which is sin-that is who the old man is
John-sin. The old-man is antithetical
to the presense of the Spirit. A call to put off the old
man IS a call to partner with the Spirit. An d when we do so,
the outcome (the dying and death of the old man) is
inevidable - even
irresistible -- but never immediate.
He is a very ugly demon following us around tugging at you arm to draw
you away and the only way to leave God is to prefer sin more than God.You are
overlook a whole lot of scripture to cling to error-respectfully- so for now
keep you error for in it is weakness as you seem to love it so much John-the
shame is you- as a Pastor -are teaching this to others and will not receive
correction in this area-which produces weak Christians-who will never
understand why if is important to keep from sin...
You have separated my personal ministry from
my reality. Your discussion is only theoretical. Where
I am weak, Dean, He is strong. Where I fail, he
succeeds. THERE IS NO SUBSITUTE for this scenario,
regardless of what you might describe in your life and minsitry.
The difference between our two gospel
presentations is found in the way we deal with failure - as
ministers of the Gospel. You preach fear and rebuking while I preach
patient endurance and unmerited grace.
Know that we adjust our understanding to the work of now not t he
other way around Bro. May God bless you as I feel I have gone as far as the
Spirit would have me go in this area for now-my prayers are for you
John. To think that God's grace is not
bigger than my failings is to make our God too small, Dean. In spite of
poor theology, the church catholic is very healthy today and it is so
because God's gracious intervention makes the difference. He HAS
adjusted to our failings, in case you haven't noticed. What in the
world do you think "Christ died for us while we were YET sinners" means
if it does not include the idea that God has "adjusted to our failures."
jd
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Sent: 2/4/2006 7:52:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
Another thing ................. this argument "God will
not ask of us what we cannot do" is something you need to
rethink.
Have you never said "Come on , walk to Daddy" ?? Have you never
received instruction (Dean, do this and then do that) that you could
not [at first] do?
to imagine that we can be perfect AS GOD IS
-- well, that is to miss the point of goals and the process of
maturity. Further, if God told us nothing that we
cannot (or will not) do, there is no need for sin offering
other than what exists in the Old Law.
cd: The need for the sin offerings wasn't because the people could
not do as instructed-it is a way of removing the quarrel we had with God
by the sin- which is mingled with innocent blood that God loves to make
the offering more pleasing. We can keep from sin John as we are not
renewed in weakness by in power.If we couldn't do so there wouldn't be any
punishment for that sin. The would be not need to put off the old man
which is sin-that is who the old man is John-sin. He is a very ugly demon
following us around tugging at you arm to draw you away and the only
way to leave God is to prefer sin more than God.You are overlook a whole
lot of scripture to cling to error-respectfully- so for now keep you error
for in it is weakness as you seem to love it so much John-the shame is
you- as a Pastor -are teaching this to others and will not receive
correction in this area-which produces weak Christians-who will never
understand why if is important to keep from sin... Know that we adjust our
understanding to the work of now not t he other way around Bro. May God
bless you as I feel I have gone as far as the Spirit would have me go in
this area for now-my prayers are for you John.
jd
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Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
Soooo, the moment of "conversion" presents one with the full
ability to be sinless?
Please tell me you are kidding!!
cd: Christ must have thought so as He clearly states go and sin
no more.Again why would God/Lord instruct us to do something that was
impossible to do-and tells them what will happen if they do
so.Respectfully John this is illogical as you are clearly saying that
there is no difference between the lost and the saved.
Joh 5:14
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From: "Dean Moore"
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cd; To stay in perversion John will change the
chemistry of the body in time but all men are born equal.Naive? I
wish I had remained so on some things sir.
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Sent: 2/3/2006 9:01:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
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Sent: 2/2/2006 10:02:36
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Fw: Interesting observation
Your choice of a racial slur for comparison causes me
concern that you have perhaps been deceived into thinking that
homosexuality is a racial issue, and that homosexuals are born
the way the are. Do you think homosexuals need special
protection from prejudice just
as other minority ethnic groups would? Are you
in agreement with the legalization of homosexuality and
adultery? DM
Well, if we are going to keep them from having jobs ; if
we are going to kill them or put them at the back of the bus,
my answer is "yes."
Homosexuality IMO is the far end of the scale we
call promiscuity. At the same time, I do
believe (in fact, I know ) some are born gender
"confused."
cd; Sin is a choice.God doesn't make mistakes as
in-Oops I meant that one to be a women and accidently
gave him a male organ but I will send
him IT anyway-then they can have conflict
over my word and they can fight it
out while I sit back on my throne and laugh at
those dumb fools. I don't think so John:-)
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David:
It was your predecessors that
lynched the aforementioned. It was your predecessors that
barred the aforementioned entry to churches. It was your
predecessors who generated the plantation mentality still
imbued in the aforementioned. It was your predecessors, the
celebrated founding fathers, who helped form the
bigotry that still characterizes your nation of 'believers'.
Do consider the larger context within which that which you
do is seen by those you seek to 'help',
David..........
Sent: February 02,
2006 09:32
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
JD wrote:
> Sodomite is a name we call people just
> as "nigger" is a word that
offends.
I don't see it that way, John. Sodomite is a
Biblical word, and it points to a particular sexual
practice. Furthermore, it reminds the hearer of the
Biblical city which brought upon them God's judgment
for accepting and engaging this kind of sexual
behavior. The homosexual agenda has hijacked the
English language by adopting the word "Gay" for
themselves. If they can incorrectly use the word
gay, then I can correctly use the word sodomite to remind
people exactly what we are talking about.
Nevertheless, I ought to make it clear to you
that I rarely use the word "sodomite." In fact,
I suspect that it is possible that I may have never used
the word sodomite, but I could be wrong about
that. I usually talk about the evil of sodomy,
and I often talk about the University's Official
Department of Sodomy or State Sanctioned Sodomy or
Government Funding for the Promotion of Sodomy and
Fornication.
Your choice of a racial slur for comparison causes me
concern that you have perhaps been deceived into thinking
that homosexuality is a racial issue, and that homosexuals
are born the way the are. Do you think homosexuals
need special protection from prejudice just
as other minority ethnic groups would? Are
you in agreement with the legalization of homosexuality
and adultery?
David
Miller.
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