I'll pass on this as I see daddy lurking nearby with a verbal baseball bat. (Just a suggestion Christine, lose the _expression_ 'I am reminded'.)
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Sent: March 03, 2006 18:08
Subject: [TruthTalk] Fear and cowardice

I think it's the kind of fear that causes you to shrink back in unbelief, or to behave selfishly with the intent of self-preservation.

I am reminded of a passage in Luke 14 where Jesus talks about what it means to follow Him:

Luke 14:26-33
 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28
For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
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Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
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Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
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Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
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So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
This passage has always touched me deeply. Even when it appears that I do not have enough funds to complete my building project, I am commanded to build the tower anyway. That's faith. And it's fascinating to me that Jesus specifically points out the pride and self-image involved in these decisions. To submit to fear is to reject the call to discipleship.

I am reminded of a quote by GK Chesterton that is popular among the college crowd: "The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried." I think this is kind of fear discussed in Rev. 21. It's also how people become lukewarm Christians: they find certain parts of the gospel to be too risky or difficult, and so they make compromises with God. Thus, they are neither hot nor cold.

What I love about the Kingdom of God is that you are absolutley lost without His Spirit. Some acts and feelings are wrong only some of the time, and we must rely on the Spirit to walk according to the will of God in our lives. For instance, sex is not always a sin for all people. I think fear is another example of this. Fear, like sex, glorifies God only some of the time, and we must submit to His Spirit and His word to know what kind of fear we should practice.


Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Interesting comment on FEAR. Thanks for pointing that out.

(pertaining to Revelation 21)
What kind of FEAR do you suppose it is, in contrast to the FEAR of the Lord which is the begining of Knowledge?

Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I doubt the writer of this article knows the Lord, Dean. I am not sure I understand your question. I would put moderate Mulims and lukewarm Christians in the same boat.

As I see it, their sin is being fearful or cowardly. Rev. 21:8 gives a list of people who will have their place in the lake of fire, listing the cowardly among muderers and idolaters. What makes them lukewarm is their fear. They won't get out of the boat and walk on the water when Jesus bids them come. Now, Jesus never bid the Muslims to come and cause destruction, but I think their sin the same if they will not take a stand against the atrocities of their bretheren.

Did I understand your question correctly, Dean?

Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Sent: 2/27/2006 6:01:21 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] An excellent Article on Islam Today

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=576


This will be my 11th consecutive column, directly or indirectly on the “Danish cartoons” issue. The cartoons themselves were a red herring from the start -- a fake issue, trumped up by fanatical Muslims seeking grievances to abet a confrontation, and thereby extract concessions from the West.

. . .

And from a mixture of fear of, and sympathy for, large, recent, Muslim immigrant communities in the West, we confuse domestic and foreign issues. I do not doubt the great majority of Muslims, in Canada and around the world, are decent, “moderate” people, who want no part in a “clash of civilizations”. But it has become obvious they can do nothing to stop the triumph of “Islamism” internationally, or oppose the fanatics proselytizing in their own communities.
cd: Christine what is the difference between a lukewarm Christian and a moderate Moslem?Overlooking the the salvation issue.

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