However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan?
So you admit that Mormonism worships a different god than the trinitarian.
So you admit that Mormonism worships a different god than the trinitarian.
As for whether or not some LDS leaders consider PAGAN, those who worship a Trinitarian God, it is a forgone conclusion as thay have left numerous quotes!
"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization
All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster." (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).
What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." ("Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith," Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 270.)
"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense .... Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."( Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 167
- 1858)
Why the silence on what your past PROPHETS have said about Christianity being Corrupt as Hell, but you recoil at Mormonism being called PAGAN???????
Don't Mormons consider Christains Apostates since there was a TOTAL APOSTACY which required a Total RESTORATION thru Joe to correct?
"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". ("The Articles of Faith," Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah. P. 182.)
"And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches
only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Nephi 14:10).
I don't get it Mormons can call Christians the CHURCH of The DEVIL, but forbid it Lord that we would identify LDS as Pagan, Cult or NOT Christian!
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Sure Kevin. You are trying to make the term pagan fit your perceived need to define somebody (me) in a way that differentiates me from you.
If you want to use the term pagan as you've defined it below, it seems one prominent condition needs to be met to define one as a pagan. That he worships false gods.....interestingly, that they used the term gods as in plural.
Since Mormons worship the only true God, they would view themselves not as pagan at all. However, could that not lead one to ponder whether those who worship a trinitarian God might be considered Pagan?
Kevin Deegan wrote:Due to your suggestion on Christian in the dictionary, I now have a problem because to remain consistent I check the definition of Pagan. Since a Pagan can not be a Christian then one can not logically be a member of both groups.This poses a problem of inconsistency, can you rectify this problem?Should we just use selective definitions? Perhaps use just the kinder gentler definitions on a consensus basis?PA'GAN, a. Heathen; heathenish; Gentile; noting a person who worships false gods.1. Pertaining to the worship of false gods.
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Judy wrote:
> What reason would anyone on TT have
> to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also
> a Christian?
Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian:
Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his teachings and example
If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective,
Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among them.
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