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Why does he clearly quote from what he does not
hold to then Lance?
Wouldn't you call this being doubleminded? His
doctrine is "Reformed" Calvinistic - same thing
I LITERALLY cleaned my glasses, Judy. I took your
interpretation to heart and, you are wrong vis a vis TFT's take on 'election'.
I do see how you came to the conclusion you did, however.
Do you understand what you are reading yourself
Lance?
The statement below "Reformed doctrine of election"
is Calvinistic
John Knox who ppl say converted Scotland was
Presbyterian (Calvinistic)
Who pray tell wrote what Torrance calls the "Scots
Confession?"
Also "unprofitable servants" don't make it ... only
the good and "faithful" ones
Clean your eyeglasses Lance and try
again
This is powerfully driven home by the Scots
Confession in several articles, such as the twelfth and the
fifteenth. All
that we do is unworthy, so that we must fall down before you and unfeignedly
confess that we are unprofitable
servantsand it is precisely
Justification by the free Grace of Christ alone that shows us that
all that we are and have done even as
believers is called in question.
You are quite correct as to your TFT
observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will not
permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text of his
article.
That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed
doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and objective
decision of God in Christ
As far as I know, Torrance believed that salvation was offered to
all -- not a Calvinist opinion, my dear. And you
are much more the Calvinist that he.
His comments below gives us a consistent explanation of the
biblical notion that man is justified apart from obedience to the
law. It beats a redactive explanation of same !! that's for
sure.
jd
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He also says this:
But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such
movement when it insisted that we have to spoil
ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as well as
justification. What is "axed" so radically was the notion of
"co-redemption" which in our day has again become so rampant, not only
in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and Evangelical Protestantism,
e.g., the emphasis upon
existential decision as the means
whereby we "make real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the
New Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation
depends upon our own personal or existential decision. That is the exact antithesis of the
Reformed doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior
and objective decision of God in Christ. It is Justification by Grace alone that guards the
Gospel from corruption by "Evangel icals," "Liberals," and Romans
alike.
So Torrance is also a
Calvinist at heart who is resting in Calvin's "doctrine of election"
in spite of all the big theological words and high talk...
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:43:32 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the recent article posted by Lance from Torrance, the
theologican says this:
"Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of the popular
minister where everything centers on him, and the whole life of the
congregation is built round him. What is that but Protestant
sacerdotalism, sacerdotalism which involves the displacement of the
Humanity of Christ by the humanity of the minister, and the
obscuring of the Person of Christ by the personality of the
minister?"
amen. We have here a well worded warning to the mega
church industry that the Christ, His very person, just
might be lost to a pattern of worship that denies opportunities for
authenticity and spontaneous participation by the attendee. It can be
argued that such 'worship services" fly in the face of such
passages as Eph 5:18,19. There is a bonding and a
closeness that takes place in a small group that is not possible in
the mega assemblies.
jd
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