i am using turbine 3 and fulcrum successfully, but i really don't mind if we drop turbine 3. my turbine and fulcrum jar are stable and will continue to be in the future for the needs of my current application. plexus looks great, i just made the sample app running yesterday.

David Worms


On Friday, October 18, 2002, at 06:02 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 08:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I know, is that as a new user, I would be very challenged to figure out
what to use...

Do I spend effort on 2.1, which is well tested, but at least two whole
releases behind the latest and greatest (4.x).

Or, do I split the middle, and go with either 2.2 or 3.x, but then why do
both of them have components of Fulcrum? And what is Fulcrum?

If we have 4 seperate options, then I forsee many many emails goint to the
users list on "What should I use to build my app...".

Would it not be better to mash the rest of the good stuff in 2.2 into 3.x,
and provide only 2.1, 3.0, and upcoming 4.0? Or, tell people to use 2.2
(not 2.1) and call 2.2 the well tested stable version.

Having 4 options seems to much....
Definitely. As developers we have to consider this and try and unify to
make things easier. I don't know what the ultimate solution is but 4
options definitely doesn't sound appealing.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Kasper Nielsen [mailto:news@;kav.dk]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 6:45 PM
To: Turbine Developers List
Subject: Re: Turbine community contributions


GREAT!



Then we'll be able to present not only three but four choices to new users:

Turbine 2.1 Original and stable code base, well tested

Turbine 2.2 Based on a decoupled Torque 3.0 (+ some of the fulcrum services)

Turbine 3.x Based on a decoupled Service layer Fulcrum + Torque 3.0

Turbine 4.x (codename summit) based on avalon



.......



- Kasper


I fully support the direction Jason is trying to push the
design of applications and so do the other turbine developers, so there
is no reason summit cannot be the basis for t4. But if there are others
who have their livelihoods as tied up in t3 and fulcrum technology as I
do, they will be very disheartened by statements that t3 and fulcrum
should not be released and abandoned. They should be released and I
will make sure that they are assuming I can overcome -1's on it.

john mcnally


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