> -----Original Message----- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Revusky > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:55 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Decimal Number support > >
<snip> > > they merely discussed if they should > > "bolt it on" (making some hacks here or there, if i > understood correctly), or > > do it right (which would lead to a major redesign of their > product). > > > Oh, the technical stuff is all fine. > > As I explain above, I just get very sensitized to hearing nonsense. > That's all. > Nonsense? Could you explain how that is nonsense? Turbine is a pretty good product. However, it has a fair amount of legacy code in it in which the design is a buit lacking to put it nicely. This was what the current developers have inheritied and are trying to rectify. These core design issues are what made the support for FM, JSP, and WM less than optimal. I was not around for the discussions of why things were done as they were. I don't really care to know either. If I had to guess, the active developers at the time used Velocity and were happy with it. They probabley made improvements to the product in the areas that directly affected what _they_ were using Turbine for. Since they used Velocity, they developed in those areas. This is all just speculation based on what I have see from other projects. Now, I understand that FM will be able to transparently use a Velocity context object. We _could_ take that approach and put FM support back into Turbine fairly quickly. Personally, the idea seems revolting to me. From a design perspective, I would wonder what the developer was smoking who implemented FM support using a Velocity context object. I am not opposed to putting FM support back into Turbine. I have looked over the docs and I am quite imnpressed with the product. I think that it would benefit our users to have something other than Velocity to choose from on the view layer. Granted, there is JSP but the support for that is not on par with Velocity. I do not want to see another quick hack put into this project. We need to take a step back and decide how we are going to restructure the inner workings to allow for multiple view technologies all having equal integration into our product. If we do this correctly, we can not only easily add FM support but support for other choices as well. > > from > > this point of view, you seemed to have achieved your goal. > > It was never much of a goal of mine, you know. Henning > brought it up on > the Velocity list. He suggested that I should provide a patch, and I > said quite matter-of-factly that that was not going to happen, since, > Turbine removed support for alternatives for rather murky > non-technical > reasons, AFAICS, and my position really just had to be that, > if you guys > wanted FM support back, you had to put it back yourselves. > > Then Henning started all this stuff about how we were nutty > conspiracy > theorists for believing that the removal of FM or WM support > and leaving > only Vel support was political in nature. He said, she said, BS. Does this really matter? If the two of you want to continue that particular thread of the discussion, please take it off the list. > I think it appropriate to re-iterate what I said in a > previous message. > If you want to foment constructive discussion and activity, I > think you > first need to foment more honesty in the basic culture here. > > You guys should stop these attempts to spin and distort what's really > going on. You are certainly welcome to your opinion but I think that you have mis-understood what Henning was saying about why it was removed. Henning was not the person that removed it. That decision was made before either of us started working on the project. He told you his understanding of the reasons behind the removal. If you choose to believe that he is not being honest about it, ask someone else. There is no need to accuse people of not being honest. He is being honest as long as what he tells you is what he believes to be true. It really has nothing to do with if it is the _real_ truth or not. But again, does any of that matter?? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
