A few thoughts from an outsider. While it's nice and important to have lot's of developers for the moment, the core teams long term commitment is most important. Example: a few years ago lots of pluggins where created for Eclipse, today, activity seems to be quite lower. As if the fun-to-do-pluggin crowd moved on to PHP, android or whatever.
Don't look to much at Django. Django is successfull at being Django. TG need to get really successfull at being TG and we will know when this has happened. It has happened when we have the one big killer web-app built using TG. If you ask me, TG is for web-applications rather than web-sites. Unfortunately, that makes Java-solutions the real hard competition, not Django or PHP. Anyway, from a happy TG user to all developers. Big Thanks. 2010/11/2 Christoph Zwerschke <[email protected]> > Am 02.11.2010 01:31 schrieb Mark Ramm: > > IMHO, what we NEED is to keep and maintain a critical mass of committed >> developers that will move the framework forward, and will help us to be >> competitive in the market. >> >> We've had lots of developers go on to create their own frameworks, or do >> other things, and IMHO that's good. It shows the options, and helps us >> see ourselves better, but it doesn't make TG more viable. What makes >> us more viable is a core team of people who work together to improve the >> framework, and are committed to the project and the team. >> > > Right, that's a crucial point in the whole discussion. I heard people say > "I don't care if the framework is popular, it just needs to work for me". > Sounds reasonable, but I beg to differ, for various reaons. First, it is > very difficult to convince managers, coworkers or clients to use a framework > that nobody has ever heared about. Hiring people and getting hired is also > difficult. Second, a popular framework will likely not go away so quickly. > Third, and most importantly, a popular framework will attract more users and > developers who contribute in various ways, and make it even better, not only > in terms of features, but also stability and documentation, or who blog > about it and make it even more popular (the "Matthew effect" kicks in), soon > you may even have your own conferences. I.e. once a certain popularity is > reached, a self-reinforcing loop is created. Another example for this > self-reinforment: Django is now so popular that Apatana (Pydev) comes with > special Django integration which makes it even more attractive ( > http://pydev.org/manual_adv_django.html) for developers. People will > create a whole ecosystem around the framework, providing apps, plug-ins etc. > that you can reuse or build upon, again reinforcing the loop. > > So a popular framework has many benefits. Of course we all know that the > most popular ("industry standard") technology is not always the best; > actually often the opposite is true. The badness and uglyness of the > technology can hurt so much that people like us may deliberately step down > and set the benefits of popularity aside, just to be able to use the better > technology. Nevertheless, becoming a popular and vivid project and community > is still highly desirable, not only for the sake of it, but because of the > additional benefits I pointed out. > > So what we need is a project with a critical mass to get this kind of chain > reaction started that is able to contend with Django. That's the thing we > may be able to achieve by getting BFG, Pylons and TG under one umbrella and > joining forces. > > -- Christoph > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TurboGears" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<turbogears%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears?hl=en. > > -- Martin Eliasson +46 (0) 739 97 87 33 http://asplunden.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears?hl=en.
