On 9/27/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about this? > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and > maintenance of open-source software that simplifies the development of > service oriented applications and provides a managed service-oriented > runtime, based on the standards defined by the OASIS OpenCSA group, > for distribution at no charge to the public. > > Paul > > On 9/27/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Simon Laws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 9/27/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > How about > > > > > > > > charged with the creation and maintenance of open source software > that: > > > > * simplifies the development of service oriented applications, > > > > * implements the SCA standards as defined by the OpenCSA group at > OASIS, > > > > and > > > > * provides a managed service-oriented runtime for services and > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > I actually think you had a pretty good text already. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I know you're good at words so how about help come up with a good > > > > > description for the TLP proposal of what Tuscany is about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Draft+TLP+Resolution > > > > > > > > > > Which currently just says "open-source software that simplifies > > > > development > > > > > and management of applications using a service oriented approach" > > > > > > > > > > ...ant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to be so quiet on this thread! How can I help? > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, Venkata Krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Seems ok to me.. .may be we could say 'embedded in app servers > > > like > > > > > > Tomcat > > > > > > > and Geronimo' (just to bring in the connecting that we are > doing > > > > with > > > > > > other > > > > > > > Apache projects. Yes, should be good to talk about Open CSA > to > > > > throw > > > > > > some > > > > > > > light on the openess and standardization path that we are > treading > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Venkat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This first part seems like a big improvement to me: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "open-source software that simplifies development and > management > > > > of > > > > > > > > applications using service oriented approach." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've updated the text on the wiki to say that, I'm not so > sure > > > > about > > > > > > "The > > > > > > > > lightweight, extensible runtime can be embedded or used > > > > stand-alone." > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > may be getting a bit to much in to implementation details, > what > > > do > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > think? Should we mention OASIS Open CSA? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, haleh mahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an attempt to clarify the description a bit more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Old description: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > > > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > > > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > > > > > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > > > > > > > > open-source software related to infrastructure that > simplifies > > > > > > > > > the development of service-based application networks and > > > > > > > > > addresses real business problems posed in SOA, for > > > distribution > > > > > > > > > at no charge to the public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > > > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > > > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > > > > > > Committee charged with creation and maintenance of > > > > > > > > > open-source software that simplifies development and > > > management > > > > of > > > > > > > > > applications using service oriented approach. The > lightweight, > > > > > > > > extensible > > > > > > > > > runtime can be embedded or used stand-alone. This software > is > > > > for > > > > > > > > > distribution at no charge to the public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/07, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/07, Luciano Resende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reviewed and updated our STATUS file [1] and > Status > > > > page > > > > > > > > (that > > > > > > > > > > > should be refreshed soon) [2] with latest and missing > > > news. > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > me know if I missed something :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good, it's great that you revived this thread! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other task from the Graduation checklist [4] that I > > > could > > > > help > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could maybe start a separate thread to discuss the > > > > resolution > > > > > > > > draft? > > > > > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > everybody happy with the description? Also it's a detail > but > > > > the > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > practice is usually to list people Apache e-mail address > (@ > > > > > > apache.org) > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the PMC as it gives the apache id. You have a nice > > > collection > > > > of > > > > > > gmail > > > > > > > > > > addresses though ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/STATUS > > > > > > > > > > > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuscany.html > > > > > > > > > > > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > > > > > > > > [4] > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation#checklist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/13/07, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm definitely +1 for both graduation and ant as the > > > > chair. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > tasks, > > > > > > > > > > > > as ant mentioned the graduation guide [1] is > definitely > > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > > read. > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > additional details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * In your resolution, one of the most important > parts > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > description. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't be too broad, you can eventually expand the > scope > > > > later > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary (simple request/ack to the board). Right > now > > > the > > > > > > wording > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > but a bit too "fuzzy" I think. It's also good to add > a > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > the project can interact or play with other > projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The other important parts of the resolution are > the > > > > chair > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Look like you're pretty much set on that side. > You > > > > can > > > > > > > > choose > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > extend the PMC too, and add committers that aren't > in > > > the > > > > PPMC > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > deserve to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Make sure that your project status page is > up-to-date > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you're set, you can start a formal vote on the > > > board > > > > > > > > resolution > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > community. Then you'll ask for the incubator vote. > > > You'll > > > > also > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > the board schedule into account. Usually meetings > are > > > the > > > > > > third > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday of > > > > > > > > > > > > each month so it's too late for this month but you > could > > > > be in > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > for October (should be the 17th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuscany.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/12/07, Mike Edwards < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1. +1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we start to identify work tasks to get us > there > > > and > > > > then > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > parcel out work amongst folk on the project? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ant elder wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how about trying to graduate Tuscany from the > > > > > > Incubator? > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem close though there are a few things to > sort > > > > out so > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of months to get ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a draft proposal at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Draft+TLP+Resolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we probably need to work on the description > which is > > > > just > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website home page: "open-source software related > to > > > > > > > > > infrastructure > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simplifies the development of service-based > > > > application > > > > > > > > networks > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses real business problems posed in SOA". > We > > > > also > > > > > > need a > > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity in the initial PMC members listed in > the > > > > > > proposal > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current PPMC members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to volunteer to be chair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a graduation guide at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..ant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Tuscany Committer > > > > > > > > > > > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > > > > > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Paul Fremantle > > > > > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > > > > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul Fremantle > > > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > > > > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Hi Paul > > > > > > That better captures the points I think. We could turn the bullet > points > > > into a sentence for the resolution.... > > > > > > ... simplifies the development of service oriented applications, based > on > > > the standards being defined within the OASIS OpenCSA section, and > provides > > > a > > > managed service-oriented runtime. > > > > > > Not sure about the "for services and applications." bit . What's the > > > distinction between services and applications? > > > > > > > Maybe it could help to look at what other projects have done so here's > what > > the last few projects graduating as TLP have said: > > > > ServiceMix: http://marc.info/?l=incubator-general&m=118526235908513&w=2and > > http://marc.info/?t=118422607900004&r=1&w=2 > > > > ...establish a Project, to be known as Apache ServiceMix Project", > related > > to an extensible messaging bus for service integration, mediation and > > composition and its related components, for distribution at no charge to > the > > public > > > > Ode: http://marc.info/?t=118400966500003&r=1&w=2 > > > > ...establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation > and > > maintenance of open-source software related to business process > management > > (BPM), workflow and process automation, for distribution at no charge to > the > > public. > > > > OpenJPA: http://marc.info/?l=incubator-general&m=117738670631558&w=3 > > > > ...the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to > > enterprise application and remoting services, for distribution at no > charge > > to the public. > > > > Wicket: http://marc.info/?t=118002530700005&r=1&w=2 > > > > ...related to the creation and maintenance of open source software, > grounded > > in object oriented programming principles, for creating highly dynamic, > > component oriented web applications for distribution at no charge to the > > public. > > > > Felix: http://marc.info/?t=116897788600001&r=1&w=2 > > > > ...implementing the OSGi Service Platform and other software that is > > associated with or related to the OSGi Service Platform for distribution > at > > no charge to the public. > > > > Roller: http://marc.info/?t=117042796300006&r=1&w=2 > > > > ...the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the > > Roller blog server, for distribution at no charge to the public > > > > ...ant > > > > > -- > Paul Fremantle > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yep, with the "provides a managed service-oriented runtime" bit moved forward that scans better.
To me "based on the standards" doesn't imply "limited to the standards". Works for me. Everyone happy from a scope point of view? Simon
