Episode 2: Oh brother... I will inhibit a play by play, but will just repeat that I don’t know if Woody Allen sexually abused his 7-year old adopted daughter, but, based on the HBO series so far, neither does anybody else. Nothing in the second episode can be considered reliable evidence of abuse (although with Carly Simon they really brought out the big guns).
But wait, that’s not really true. More precisely, the second episode is full of evidence that young Dylan was abused, but there is no way to tell if it was sexual abuse by her father or psychological abuse by her mother. Even that is not quite right, because even if Allen did what he is accused of, what Mia did (videotaping her 7 year old daughter repeatedly in intense interviews with leading questions (and its clear from the Gaithersburg questions and the girls answers these have been rehearsed many times prior to what we are seeing) is harmful, both psychologically and legally. So, what I take away, is she was abused by her mother, and may or may not have been abused by her father. On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 10:59 PM davesik...@gmail.com <davesik...@gmail.com> wrote: > I want to clarify my statement below. Whether one believes her or not, > Dylan Farrow has been through hell. She apparently believes that what she > says happened, happened and whether those memories are real or implanted is > irrelevant; they're a part of her. > > While she's hardly been a shrinking violet over the past hew years (the > "By the Way ..." documentary shows numerous interviews--where she's > perfectly composed--and mentions she has a book coming out), the story has > never been really been challenged in a court of law, and even Mia Farrow's > interview in Part One that reportedly claims she treated Soon-Yi calmly and > in an adult manner after finding the photos directly contradicts her > previous sworn testimony that she went ballistic and beat her. > > I don't want to see Dylan Farrow broken on the witness stand, but I do > want to see the family's claims put under oath. > > --Dave Sikula > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 9:52:32 PM PST, Paul Murray < > pmurra...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > It's disappointing to see serious news organizations (NYT, WaPo) taking > the bait and covering each individual episode, giving the project a certain > gravitas that it doesn't appear to deserve. > > That's especially true given the issues raised about the filmmakers' two > previous documentaries, where some say they put advocacy over facts > (example: "How The Hunting Ground Blurs the Truth" > <https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/06/the-hunting-ground-a-closer-look-at-the-influential-documentary-reveals-the-filmmakers-put-advocacy-ahead-of-accuracy.html>; > something like 19 Harvard Law professors had serious complaints about that > doc). I have not seen any of them, nor do I intend to, based on what I've > read. > > They have claimed, apparently with a straight face, that the public hasn't > heard the Farrow side until now. As I observed earlier, they also told the > Post critic that their film is not about Allen. > > Yes, they got Dylan to give an on-camera interview. That's something new, > although that doesn't necessarily increase our factual knowledge. I believe > that Dylan believes it happened. But that doesn't mean that it did happen. > > I think news organizations ought to at least wait to see all the episodes > to cover them. Let's see what they include and also what they leave out > that would contradict or muddy their narrative. But that ain't gonna happen > these days. > > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-5 Dave Sikula wrote: > > Well, they're not applying ethical journalism practices to the rest of it, > so why should this be an exception? > > I'd love to see Allen sue both Farrows for defamation and get them on the > stand under oath. It would never happen, because Allen doesn't want to go > there and the caterwaulers who hate him would go ballistic, but it'd be > nice to see a good lawyer shred them. > > --Dave Sikula > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 12:49:46 PM PST, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > So, I was wondering about the use of Allen’s book (and voice) in the HBO > doc. Why would he give permission to them, but how could they use it > without permission? > > The LAT reported yesterday that Allen’s publisher (Skyhorse Publishing) is > considering a lawsuit for copyright infringement. The Filmmakers are > claiming it is Fair Use, which - Wow, does that seem like a stretch. Not > only are the excerpts several and extensive, but they are not presented as > quotations from his book (though there is on screen text attribution) but > as parallel to sound from interviews the makers did with other sources. In > other words, the excerpts are used not for educational purposes, not as a > prime for discussion, but to create the misleading impression that the > makers interviewed Allen and are providing his point of view as part of a > balanced presentation. > > I have embraced a liberal view of Fair Use over the years, but this seems > way, way over the line. > > > > https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-02-22/woody-allen-documentary-memoir-lawsuit-skyhorse > On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 7:56 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dave’s summary of the bias and distortion is accurate, though they > represent Woody with audio from his book, in his voice, which seems like > they would need his permission to do? > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tvornottv/4ZMX-YOnBtg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tvornottv+...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKgGHF-4%2BF0wepGgcRRXcHVdYHF-xjhWZsNvQWS8-h_Dw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYKgGHF-4%2BF0wepGgcRRXcHVdYHF-xjhWZsNvQWS8-h_Dw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tvornottv/4ZMX-YOnBtg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/09cbf70a-bde0-452e-9f56-1012e7c6023fn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/09cbf70a-bde0-452e-9f56-1012e7c6023fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/265386718.468301.1614149906362%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/265386718.468301.1614149906362%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. 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