Well. I'm not a copyright lawyer, and I'm not pretending to be. If you do as you suggest and send it back to the author for suggested improvements, I'm sure you're right - there is no violation, and you are effectively seeking documentation enhancement or correction. If you do as you suggest, do not send it back to the author or copyright holder, publish it as your own, sell it as your own, post it as your own, or otherwise take credit for authorship, I think that you would still be wrong... I don't think that it is right or ethical to take 100% of someone else's work, add a sentence or 4 or 5, and then represent it as your own. The documentation shouldn't be any different than the solution that I or anyone else in this forum may have created - just because you add a report paragraph or program that my solution did not provide does not mean that you can resell the entire solution as yours.
Nothing more to be said... we apparently agree to disagree. -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:45 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection You don't need permission if you're being critical. So all you have to do is take a copy of it, and then as you're working through it, criticize the lack of clarity and add the lacking clarity. Perfectly legal under copyright law :) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Wyatt <bwyatt_...@comcast.net> To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection If I take Rocket's documentation on Resize and use it "as is" in a document I intend to sell, post publicly, or take credit for having authored it, I have violated their copyright; I require their permission to continue. If I take Rocket's documentation on Resize and immaterially change it (change a word here or there) and use it in a document I intend to sell, post, or take credit for having authored it, I have violated their copyright; I require their permission to continue. And kindly note that the copyright holder differs, depending on the version covered by the documentation you have used. If I create documentation on how to use Resize without copying or referencing the Rocket documentation, I don't need Rocket's permission. If someone were to post a question in this group on how to use the Resize command and I were to respond to it with a copy of the Resize documentation, then my note needs to state that per the Rocket so-and-so manual, here is the Resize command; I am not profiting from the use of Rocket's documentation, and I have cited the source of the information. If I create documentation for a solution (whether internal or external to my organization) that states that my solution makes use of the Resize command and only discusses the manner in which I use the command, then I do not need the copyright or author's blessing. If I were to take the documentation that Rex has created, use it as is but add the clarity you seek, I need Rex's permission if it were copyrighted. If it is not copyrighted, then as a fellow team member in this forum, it is not only polite, but the right thing to do to offer Rex a collaborative effort on improving his documentation. Rex is free to decline, in which case you have three options: a) Working from your own knowledge, create your own documentation that offers the clarity you seek (which would be difficult, as you seek clarity) and properly cite Rex's work b) Work harder at understanding the features you seek to utilize c) Find another way to address your needs Should Rex accept your offer of collaboration, then you hopefully achieve the clarity you seek and the documentation may be improved. It's more than being polite - it's being respectful of others work, and about giving credit to whom (or where) it is due. Bob Wyatt -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 4:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection So you wouldn't create documentation on how to use the RESIZE verb without the approval of... Rocket ? That's a whole level of politeness that escapes me. I only ask for approval when it's required. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Wyatt <bwyatt_...@comcast.net> To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection Will, If the instructions were copyrighted, it would be. nd I can say that when you work as a member of a team (and I think all of he members in this group are a part of a team), it isn't regarded as professional" or "classy" when one takes another's initial work and odifies, alters, expands, or reduces it without consent and approval from he originator. fter all, why would documentation be any different than the end result of our daily programming or solution-providing labor? Bob Wyatt -----Original Message----- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:19 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection hey are not clear enough. ou can't step on anyone by giving instructions. There's no copyright reventing anyone else from making up other instructions. -----Original Message----- rom: John Thompson <jthompson...@gmail.com> o: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> ent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 12:02 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection ex does have some documentation on u2pipe, but, I have not looked at it in hile. could write up the php/apache stuff pretty easy and make it nooby proof, T, I haven't done that because it was not my idea, and I don't want to llegally" step on Kevin. owever, I did write up complete instructions on how to install Apache on IX .3 if anyone needs that. have to write things down because my limited brain power often forgets. n Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote: The problem I see is that telling people that they could make free beer, s quite different in practice from making free beer. I know that Tony feels like people should just get smarter, but I'm not he only one who has pointed out that there simply are no good install anuals for any of the various free options. Yes there are installation nstructions, but they quickly spiral off into the level of geek speak that ou have to already know, in order to understand. At which point most eople give up. -----Original Message----- From: Symeon Breen <syme...@gmail.com> To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 11:52 am Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection The benefit of using any http server , iis, cassini, apache etc, is its ole multiplexing functionality, which to do well is not trivial. Iis is so very integrated into the OS, the whole http layer is in fact inside the , as opposed to being an application on top of the os. So it makes sense n any ways. And if you want to use .net (of which I am a big fan) and you don't have to e linux then why use mono ? Contrary to what many people believe Visual udio, .net, MS Sql are all free (as in beer) for development/small and dium scale deployment. ----Original Message----- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno ent: 02 December 2011 18:24 o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection For reference, t's a widespread myth that you need IIS to do web services r other website ntegration with Windows. That's simply not so. IIS is an pplication that rovides many services including authentication, memory anagement, process llocation, routing, logging, and many others. If "all want is a pipe into my daatabase" then you can easily run a Windows rvice that's listening to a socket which will do whatever you want. You st won't get all of those other services. Now, in response to not needing Windows Server, I try to avoid discussions religion. ;) Seriously, if you like like the ASP.NET model, just not ndows or Microsoft, look into Mono FOSS) where you can run your code in Windows or Linux, just like Java. Or lightly more practical) run a Windows 7 or XP guest in a virtual machine er Linux. It's just another application, about 400MB of overhead, and ouldn't require much maintenance unless you're doing other things with it. f course these aren't solutions for the masses but for some sites these lutions could be ideal in comparison with others. YMMV T From: John Thompson I do remember playing with this a few years ago, but, at the time I wasn't "smart" enough to make it work. I did like the fact that it did not need IIS, or Windows Server to work :) Rex Gozar wrote: > My u2pipe has been available on PickWiki since 2006. > If can be used with PHP, ColdFusion, ASP.NET, raw sockets, etc. > http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?U2pipe _______________________________________________ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ---- o virus found in this message. hecked by AVG - www.avg.com ersion: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4052 - Release Date: 12/02/11 ______________________________________________ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - hn Thompson _____________________________________________ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
