It's my understanding that George hit the issue squarely on the head with this comment:
"Instead if you connection pool using Rocket's or your own technology then you need to buy connection pooling licenses." Rocket doesn't want people creating their own connection pooling logic that would allow a single license to service what might otherwise be an unreasonable number of clients. They are, after all, in the business of selling seats. That being said, the issue is one of concurrency. With telnet, people are squatting on ports all day. With a web-based application a connection might last a fraction of a second and be done. This allows the web-based application to utilize each single license more effectively as one license could realistically service thousands of different clients over the course of a day. The down side to this connect-do-disconnect model, of course, is the overhead of establishing each connection. With connection pooling they offer an alternative to making a new connection each time, and have established the rules and price for whatever they think makes sense. -K On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:33 AM, George Land <george.l...@aptsolutions.co.uk>wrote: > I think that there is quite a bit of confusion on different terms. > > Firstly there is no problem in developing and hosting web based > applications > using U2, many of the successful U2 applications today are web based. But > since U2 is licensed per user what you can't do is simply have a small > license that connection pools - in other words runs a few processes that > listen for work from a large user base and services them. > > Instead if you connection pool using Rocket's or your own technology then > you need to buy connection pooling licenses. Whilst this pricing model is > different to Oracle and Microsoft it is also often less expensive, it all > depends on the configuration of the system being implemented. > > But that's different from SaaS, connection pooling is about a technical > architecture whilst SaaS is really a pricing model. You can adopt a SaaS > pricing model on an in house application just as you can adopt a > conventional user licensing model on an application that is hosted/in the > cloud. > > If you are implementing a true SaaS pricing model, so the customers pay per > transaction or per some other metric, and you want to pay for your U2 > licenses on the same metric then you need to talk to Rocket or your > distributor if you are outside the US. It is almost impossible to have an > 'off the shelf' pricing model for this environment because the metrics you > use and the software you need to back it up will vary, particularly if the > demand is going to be seasonal. But talk about it with whoever you buy > from. > > George Land > APT Solutions Ltd > U2 UK Distributor > > > > On 03/06/2012 07:22, "Robert Houben" <robert.hou...@fwic.net> wrote: > > > I should clarify my question. What is the legality behind licensing a > SaaS > > (or BPaaS) offering with a U2 system behind it? > > > > I believe at one point there were terms of use in the user license that > made a > > SaaS implementation potentially impractical. > > > > BTW, believe it or not, providing Microsoft products in a SaaS > environment is > > a violation of their license agreement, unless you get a special variant > of > > their licenses (these raise the price significantly). This is little > known, > > and to date Microsoft has not been aggressive in enforcing it, but that > > apparently might be about to change. > > > > U2, to my knowledge requires a special type of network license if you are > > going to provide pooled connections of any sort (e.g. through a web > server.) > > The special terms to look up seem to be "Connection Pooling" and > "Concurrent > > User". My initial read of the section describing these is that if I have > > potentially 2 million different users who may use my service through > web-based > > connection pooling through the term of the license, (even if not > > concurrently), I must have licenses enough (2 million of them) to support > > this. I copy the block of text at the bottom of this message from a > copy of > > the license agreement that I have (possibly out of date - that's part of > the > > question). Their definition of Concurrent seems a bit odd... > > > > (BTW, I agree: I would *never* use an unprotected telnet session over the > > internet. I would be inclined to have the U2 server hiding behind a good > > solid commercial grade web server.) > > > > "Connection Pooling (CP): Licensee is not authorized to enable or engage > in > > Connection Pooling unless Licensee is able to count and acquire required > > Concurrent Session or Concurrent User entitlements covering all unique > > individuals or single, unique instances of a software application that > might > > process transactions using the Program. CP session entitlements [ which > would > > cover use by any and all unique individuals or unique single instances of > > software programs over a single logical open, persistent connection ] are > > optionally available for purchase for use with the Workgroup Edition, > but are > > limited to a maximum of two (2) CP sessions. Enterprise Edition is > offered > > with two (2) initial Rocket CP sessions with optional additional CP > session > > entitlements available for purchase." > > > > "... that might process transactions..." This would effectively blow any > SaaS > > or BPaaS option out of the water for a U2 based application. I may be > > misunderstanding the above, or there may be a different license available > > somewhere, hence my question. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Robert Houben > > IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing > Architecture > > Chief Technology Officer > > FusionWare Integration Corp. > > p: 604-777-4254 x158 > > f: 604-608-5544 > > http://www.fwic.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King > > Sent: June-02-12 4:04 PM > > To: U2 Users List > > Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud > > > > Just so I'm clear... what exactly would be different about such a > license? > > Seems to me the typical licensing terms would work just fine, as long > as you > > have enough seats to handle the traffic. I would, however, be concerned > about > > opening up the telnet port on a cloud architecture. > > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Robert Houben <robert.hou...@fwic.net > >wrote: > > > >> Does Rocket license Universe or Unidata for use in the cloud? > >> > >> Robert Houben > >> IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing > >> Architecture Chief Technology Officer FusionWare Integration Corp. > >> p: 604-777-4254 x158 > >> f: 604-608-5544 > >> http://www.fwic.net<http://www.fwic.net/> > >> LinkedIn < > >> http://www.linkedin.com/company/fusionware-integration-corp.?trk=fc_ba > >> dge> Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/fusionwareint> FaceBook< > >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/New-Westminster-BC/FusionWare-Integra > >> tion-Corp/115116258510923 > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> U2-Users mailing list > >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > U2-Users mailing list > > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > _______________________________________________ > > U2-Users mailing list > > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
