If you are connection pooling without connection pooling licenses then the most a court will do is rule that you need to buy those connection pool licenses, they aren't going to tell you that you need 2 million licenses.
On 04/06/2012 15:58, "Wjhonson" <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Surely Robert you know that courts understand that wording can be ambiguous. > If you really think some court is going to tell you you need 2 million > licenses.... I think you're trying to make a case out of tissue > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Houben <robert.hou...@fwic.net> > To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 7:35 am > Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud > > > As usual this group is a wealth of information. I think the "talk to Rocket" > is > the most useful thing. Our OLE DB driver uses Microsofts OLE DB Resource > Pooling (built into Windows) to pool. Our other products provide built-in > pooling. We've always told our U2 customers that they need to get connection > pooling licenses. The wording of the license agreements suggests that whoever > wrote it did not understand how most applications use connection pooling. I > was > curious if this had been cleared up. Unfortunately, if anything goes wrong, > unless you have something written to refer to, the actual wording of the > license > will be used by the courts. > > Thank you, > > Robert Houben > IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing Architecture > Chief Technology Officer > FusionWare Integration Corp. > p: 604-777-4254 x158 > f: 604-608-5544 > http://www.fwic.net > LinkedIn Twitter FaceBook > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] > On Behalf Of George Land > Sent: June-04-12 1:33 AM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud > > I think that there is quite a bit of confusion on different terms. > > Firstly there is no problem in developing and hosting web based applications > using U2, many of the successful U2 applications today are web based. But > since > U2 is licensed per user what you can't do is simply have a small license that > connection pools - in other words runs a few processes that listen for work > from > a large user base and services them. > > Instead if you connection pool using Rocket's or your own technology then you > need to buy connection pooling licenses. Whilst this pricing model is > different > to Oracle and Microsoft it is also often less expensive, it all depends on the > configuration of the system being implemented. > > But that's different from SaaS, connection pooling is about a technical > architecture whilst SaaS is really a pricing model. You can adopt a SaaS > pricing model on an in house application just as you can adopt a conventional > user licensing model on an application that is hosted/in the cloud. > > If you are implementing a true SaaS pricing model, so the customers pay per > transaction or per some other metric, and you want to pay for your U2 licenses > on the same metric then you need to talk to Rocket or your distributor if you > are outside the US. It is almost impossible to have an 'off the shelf' > pricing > model for this environment because the metrics you use and the software you > need > to back it up will vary, particularly if the demand is going to be seasonal. > But talk about it with whoever you buy from. > > George Land > APT Solutions Ltd > U2 UK Distributor > > > > On 03/06/2012 07:22, "Robert Houben" <robert.hou...@fwic.net> wrote: > >> I should clarify my question. What is the legality behind licensing a >> SaaS (or BPaaS) offering with a U2 system behind it? >> >> I believe at one point there were terms of use in the user license >> that made a SaaS implementation potentially impractical. >> >> BTW, believe it or not, providing Microsoft products in a SaaS >> environment is a violation of their license agreement, unless you get >> a special variant of their licenses (these raise the price >> significantly). This is little known, and to date Microsoft has not >> been aggressive in enforcing it, but that apparently might be about to >> change. >> >> U2, to my knowledge requires a special type of network license if you >> are going to provide pooled connections of any sort (e.g. through a >> web server.) The special terms to look up seem to be "Connection >> Pooling" and "Concurrent User". My initial read of the section >> describing these is that if I have potentially 2 million different >> users who may use my service through web-based connection pooling >> through the term of the license, (even if not concurrently), I must >> have licenses enough (2 million of them) to support this. I copy the >> block of text at the bottom of this message from a copy of the license >> agreement that I have (possibly out of date - that's part of the question). > Their definition of Concurrent seems a bit odd... >> >> (BTW, I agree: I would *never* use an unprotected telnet session over >> the internet. I would be inclined to have the U2 server hiding behind >> a good solid commercial grade web server.) >> >> "Connection Pooling (CP): Licensee is not authorized to enable or >> engage in Connection Pooling unless Licensee is able to count and >> acquire required Concurrent Session or Concurrent User entitlements >> covering all unique individuals or single, unique instances of a >> software application that might process transactions using the >> Program. CP session entitlements [ which would cover use by any and >> all unique individuals or unique single instances of software programs >> over a single logical open, persistent connection ] are optionally >> available for purchase for use with the Workgroup Edition, but are >> limited to a maximum of two (2) CP sessions. Enterprise Edition is >> offered with two (2) initial Rocket CP sessions with optional additional CP > session entitlements available for purchase." >> >> "... that might process transactions..." This would effectively blow >> any SaaS or BPaaS option out of the water for a U2 based application. >> I may be misunderstanding the above, or there may be a different >> license available somewhere, hence my question. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Robert Houben >> IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing >> Architecture Chief Technology Officer FusionWare Integration Corp. >> p: 604-777-4254 x158 >> f: 604-608-5544 >> http://www.fwic.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King >> Sent: June-02-12 4:04 PM >> To: U2 Users List >> Subject: Re: [U2] Universe/Unidata in the Cloud >> >> Just so I'm clear... what exactly would be different about such a license? >> Seems to me the typical licensing terms would work just fine, as long >> as you have enough seats to handle the traffic. I would, however, be >> concerned about opening up the telnet port on a cloud architecture. >> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Robert Houben <robert.hou...@fwic.net>wrote: >> >>> Does Rocket license Universe or Unidata for use in the cloud? >>> >>> Robert Houben >>> IBM Certified Solution Advisor and Architect - Cloud Computing >>> Architecture Chief Technology Officer FusionWare Integration Corp. >>> p: 604-777-4254 x158 >>> f: 604-608-5544 >>> http://www.fwic.net<http://www.fwic.net/> >>> LinkedIn < >>> http://www.linkedin.com/company/fusionware-integration-corp.?trk=fc_b >>> a >>> dge> Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/fusionwareint> FaceBook< >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/New-Westminster-BC/FusionWare-Integr >>> a >>> tion-Corp/115116258510923 >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
