Way to go Trevor. All right a flame war before this list disappears ;-). Maybe in this war the ANZACS will stick together unlike Herr Clarke and her band of lefties.
I agree with Trevor. I have seen a number of companies spend tens of millions of dollars moving from a legacy system on UV to systems such as JDE on oracle, SAP on oracle, and the business was no better off. In one case they never even went live with the other system. Oxford Health in the US was another case but I do not know the details of it. My 2 cents worth... Phil Walker +64 21 336294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] infocusp limited \\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand \ www.infocusp.co.nz DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. infocusp limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by infocusp limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:22 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe One bigot to another. Horses for courses - of course! You'll never catch me alive messing with "mainstream" databases. Our users have baulked at the price tag on 'mainstream' database solutions for decades. If the MV databases are so 'behind the times' then how come they were the first in Australia to go live with ATM banking then Internet Banking. 'Mainstream' is not always best. I say 'viva la difference' (French spelling?). Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy DB2 that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has moved DB2 (Now UDB) to a completly relational architecture. I belive some of the below are good reasons to Migrate to MainStream (Top 3 - DB2/Oracle/MSSQL etc) Databases. 1. UV has Little/NO support for Emerging Technologies(XML/XQuery/XSLT/WML etc) 2. UV is Not supported in Most Integration Enterprise Software (SAP/PeopleSoft) 3. UV is Not efficient compared to highly evolved databases(DB2/Oracle) 4. UV Folks seem to use PICK, which is Not Compatible with many of of the Current Advanced Technologies and Techniques. 5. UV is very SLOW, TOO Procedural and Not the right tool for an OLTP Environment. It would be nice if IBM provided a Package to convert all UV Stuff to IBM DB2 and perhaps provide some kinda code converter to convert all pick stuff to DB2 Stored Procs or Java Native Compiled Procedures. I belive this would be ideal and would help corportations intergrate systems easily. Joe Eugene ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker Sent: Sun 3/28/2004 7:59 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing David, As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - so I will comment. I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late 1960's, whereas Oracle and the SQL relation model has been around only since the mid to late 1970's early 1980's if you are talking about Oracle etc. I may be wrong. Phil Walker +64 21 336294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] infocusp limited \\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand \ www.infocusp.co.nz DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. infocusp limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by infocusp limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing Best of luck Jeff, however I will point out the obvious, what is your definition of modern? I would have thought the good old "relational databases" have been around since before pick anyway? 8-) Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 139 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 +61 417 268 665 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 8:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing Thanks for the memories Cliff :) Sorry to hear the lists are closing, but what the heck time and tide, work committments etc. As some one who is shortly to be ex mv, and moving into the more modern technologies l will decline the offer to join, but wish the site all the best. Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 7:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The lists are closing Dear Friends: After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime, info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc lists, I have decided to shut down the list server. u2-users and u2-community will cease to exist as of 1 April 2004. IBM is officially supporting the efforts of the new U2UG.org group. (Yes. I am a member of the establishing Board of that group. So this is not a "coup" or Sour Grapes!) If you check out the forums that have been set up, I think you will will see that they cover everything anyone has asked for over the years in this group. I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the the www.u2ug.org site and support this effort. This is *exactly* what many of you on this list have wanted over the years. If Not Now, When? Almost ten years on my Watch. How many years before that on Mike O'Rear's Watch? In the Net World, this has been a Hell of a good run. (I just couldn't resist tripping the Net Nanny filters one last time <very evil grin>) I'll see all of you on the other media, ok? -- Regards, Clif ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. 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