On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Jan Bongaerts <jbongae...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Steven, > 't was natuurlijk maar een grapje over onze Belgische politiek (of eerder, > het gebrek daaraan). > Gelokaliseerde versies is geen probleem, maar wie gaat zoiets sponsoren? > mijns insziens zou ik ze niet "gratis" uitdelen... ik heb een schuif vol met cisco/microsoft/bouwsalon/autosalon/Cebit sticks van 64mbyte tot 256mbyte :-) Mensen zijn te gretig met het verzamelen van "goodies"... (kijkend naar mijn eigen schuif) maar de canonical versie is gewoonweg te prijzig (20 euro)... ik heb onlangs nog een 4gbyte "pinguin" stick gekocht in de aldi voor amper 7 euro (ik kon het niet laten :-) maar je zit wel met een 'investering'... en koop je ze als vzw aan zonder btw...en reken je ze nadien door aan de events; of betaal je direct de btw... maar dan zit je met een grijze zone... je koopt een 'lege' gepersonaliseerde stick aan in bijv nederland aan 20% btw; je voegt er ubuntu aan toe... je moet op je verkoopsprijs dan nog eens 21% op de "belastbare toegevoegde waarde" bijrekenen? heb je 2 overheden gesponsord? :-) of je koopt/verkoopt ze niet als produkt maar als merchandising/reklame/investering; zonder btw... boekhouding zoals Lernout&Hauspie... elke balpen voor het personeel was een investering... zitten hier creatieve boekhouders? neem je de 1gbyte sticks... Ubuntu houdt er zich aan om bij 700mbyte te blijven; ze laten hier met plezier pitivi en andere dingen voor vallen; en een minimale afname van 100stuks...zit je toch al gauw aan 600 euro "slapend kapitaal" dat je ergens moet vandaan halen/voorschieten...En zonder btw nummer komt daar dan nog eens 20-21% bij... ik ben ondertussen alle informatie aan't stockeren op de wikihttps:// wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011 Als we iemand vinden, denk ik niet dat vzw een probleem is. We benaderen ze > gewoon als ubuntu-be, end of story. > De administratie zoeken we daarna wel uit. > > Groeten, > Jan. > > > On 18 May 2011 20:56, Steven Leeman <ste...@leeman.be> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jan Bongaerts <jbongae...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I don't think it should be for free neither. We can still offer the CD >>> for free (and a small gift..) for those who don't want to spend the 10 bucks >>> or so on a usb. >>> >>> Off topic: >>> Flemish government? >>> It's ubuntu-*be*, so it should be *federal* government sponsorship. >>> >> >> "lokalized" version ...which means french/dutch language packs added? >> not so difficult...allready done incl belgian keyboard >> perhaps we should ask telenet or cera which seem to sponsor a "digital >> divide" initiative but it has to come from the vzw >> >> >> Which will be the current version by the time we have one? >>> Still 11.04? >>> 11.10? >>> 12.04? >>> ... >>> Bets are open >>> :-D >>> >>> no idea the usb sticks can be ordered within the week >> >> >>> >>> >>> On 18 May 2011 20:19, Steven Leeman <ste...@leeman.be> wrote: >>> >>>> I wouldn't offer them for free imho? >>>> unless you can find such a sponsor? >>>> Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-) >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen <mcie...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking >>>>> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts <jbongae...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Some more advantages: >>>>> It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest >>>>> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity >>>>> becomes >>>>> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version. >>>>> >>>>> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be >>>>> quicker too. >>>>> >>>>> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike >>>>> the CD. We would have to charge money. >>>>> >>>>> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead >>>>> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help. >>>>> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer >>>>> the usage of my bvba. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jan. >>>>> >>>>> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker < <wouterv...@hotmail.com> >>>>> wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Steven >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I >>>>>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW. >>>>>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the >>>>>> idea on: >>>>>> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011> >>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011 >>>>>> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011>I'll >>>>>> also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting (26/05/2011). >>>>>> Feel >>>>>> free to discus it there as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I >>>>>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described): >>>>>> - More durable than a CD >>>>>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it) >>>>>> - Can be updated >>>>>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you >>>>>> like) >>>>>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising >>>>>> for us. (Free Publicity) >>>>>> - Also works for Netbook owners >>>>>> - Really awesome goodie. >>>>>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu >>>>>> (once we finally create it..) >>>>>> >>>>>> grts >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wouter >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 <ste...@leeman.be> >>>>>> ste...@leeman.be wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me >>>>>> if I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France. >>>>>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a >>>>>> 1GB stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who >>>>>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens... Gained >>>>>> another Ubuntero. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks... >>>>>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem... >>>>>> >>>>>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick... >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874> >>>>>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874 >>>>>> 4gbyte usb stick >>>>>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport >>>>>> >>>>>> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me >>>>>> following prices: >>>>>> >>>>>> model "Usb Incentive" : >>>>>> <http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html> >>>>>> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html >>>>>> 4 GB 2.0 -> Like Canonical sells them >>>>>> Price/piece: €7,66 >>>>>> Logo Print: €0,10 >>>>>> Transport (China): €20,- >>>>>> Total for 100 pieces: €796,- (excl. BTW) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 GB 2.0 -> Minimum size for an Ubuntu Live CD...Has 300MB spare for >>>>>> extra's (NL Language for instance.. or some extra programs?) >>>>>> Price/piece €5,26 >>>>>> Logo Print: €0,10 >>>>>> Transport (China): €20,- >>>>>> Total for 100 pieces: €526,- (excl. BTW) >>>>>> >>>>>> The minimum amount is 100 pieces, so I gave the targetprice for 100 >>>>>> USB sticks from a good priceclass (like USB Incentive) *including >>>>>> printing of the logo in 2 colors.* >>>>>> Printing costs per color are €0,05. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although I was able to sent a normal "usb stick" to France in a normal >>>>>> envelope... it might be beter to use "creditcard' models? >>>>>> <http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/183/usb-creditcard-standaard.html> >>>>>> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/183/usb-creditcard-standaard.html >>>>>> ... >>>>>> the experience is that the stick parte is easy to click out if your >>>>>> usb-ports can't handle "wide" carts... >>>>>> The extra amount for a creditcar model is €0,48 per stick. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could also hear what other suppliers have to say? >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't give away the sticks for free of course but you sell them >>>>>> with a small profit... >>>>>> - "ubuntu cd's" are out of date after 6 months...; >>>>>> - Cd's take a big amount of time to burn (the average pc has 6 usb >>>>>> ports atm... you've got 6 stick in a 123 with ubuntu on them... And then >>>>>> we >>>>>> aren't talking about USB hubs) >>>>>> - You write a cd only 1 time and throw them away afterwards... (except >>>>>> when you have a nice artistic print so you can reuse them as a "clock"?) >>>>>> - USB sticks can be updated... or you can change the data with >>>>>> something else... 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