On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 09:44:11AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:10 AM Robie Basak <robie.ba...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 04:27:31PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote: > > > This is now ready to use from the Launchpad point of view. There's a > > > "proposed_not_automatic" flag on distro series exported over the API; if > > > this is set to True, Launchpad writes "NotAutomatic: yes" and > > > "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" to the Release file. We've also arranged > > > for *-proposed to be pinned to 500 in launchpad-buildd, so Launchpad > > > builds will ignore this; I can't speak for other build environments. > > > Thus, from the Launchpad point of view this is ready to use, although > > > somebody may want to check the behaviour of things like sbuild and > > > pbuilder first. > > Thank you Colin for the work! > > If sbuild/pbuilder need adjusting, then maybe we need to do that and > > then give developers some time to update their chroots so that we don't > > break them (in non-obvious ways) all at once. > > Another thought is that if there turns out to be an unintended > > consequence for users enabling jammy-proposed (after Jammy's release), > > then we'll have done that to them in an LTS instead of hitting an > > interim release first. > This is certainly a concern for me...this kind of change seems like > it's more appropriate for an interim release. The consequences of the current behavior are sufficiently heinous (users running apt dist-upgrade after enabling -proposed for testing of an unrelated SRU may break their systems, up to and including them unbootable) that I am strongly opposed to deferring this change for after the LTS and delaying another 2 years before it starts to benefit the vast majority of affected users. There may be knock-on consequences in terms of SRU workflows and documentation that needs updated; but we should eat that cost now, not delay this change another LTS cycle. If it were up to me alone, I would want this enabled retroactively for all supported releases. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org
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