Sorry for the very late reply. I came down with appendicitis, and then took a trip to New York... anyway...
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Soren Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I asked why you were do determined to make the install less useful by > default. Well, I do see the value of having some "newbie-friendly" things in there by default. This is why I would much prefer to have a "bare install" option available for old-school admins, rather than be the default (have a bare-install be opt-in, rather than opt-out). I'm just putting my 2 cents in on how _I_ prefer a server to be set up. > Your reply was something like "I'm not very determined", which > doesn't answer my question at all. You want us to remove groff from the > standard install, even though you're going to install it yourself. That > sure sounds to me like you find groff (probably actually man-db) to be > useful (otherwise, why would you be installing it), but you want to not > have it installed by default, thus making the default install less > useful. > It's not that I prefer man-db to be removed by default, because yes I do use it. That doesn't mean everyone uses it though. I could easily do without it on my server and save the space by looking up all the man pages on a workstation, and some other admins may prefer it that way. And if it was removed, I wouldn't argue against it because it is easy enough for me to install it. I say "I'm not very determined" because while I think w3m is a complete waste of space, I'm fine with just letting it go and moving on to more important issues. > I see the usefulness of the minimal install, but this I think this is > getting ridiculous. Ubuntu Server is -- after all -- supposed to be for > human beings, not for embedded systems. > >> There seems to be a lot of praise for the "bare install" option in the >> installer, and no one has said anything against it. > > Well, you seem to think that it's not bare enough? > I think that Ubuntu JEOS is bare enough. I'm pretty sure that is what everyone agrees would be the equivalent of a "bare install" option in the installer (except without any hardware support stripped out, keeping the regular -server kernel). Ubuntu JEOS does not install man-db, by the way. James -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam