"Aurélien Naldi" <aurelien.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Imre Gergely <gi...@narancs.net> wrote:
>>
>> Just my two cents... I would agree on the confusion part of the extra
>> dovecot-postfix.conf config file... It's an attempt to make the servers
>> more user friendly, which I'm not sure is needed... if somebody wants to
>> install/configure/administer a mailserver, that's not really an average
>> user task, the person should know a little bit what he's doing, it
>> shouldn't be "too easy" and integrated and out-of-the-box...
>>
>> It should be clear that you have to mess with config files to set things
>> up and Ubuntu shouldn't make things easier, at least not on servers.
>> Desktop is another story. IMHO.
>
>
>Hi,
>
>not trying to start a flame war here but I really disagree.
>
>Of course, setting up a mailserver requires some understanding but why
>should it require everyone to mess up with a bunch of crypting config
>files? Understanding the big picture and having an idea of how things
>fit together is important, the detail of the syntax of the config
>files isn't (IMHO). I care a lot about educating users and admins but
>I also believe that not being too elitist helps.
>
>Many mail servers serve small groups who just want a simple
>configuration with a few users. What is needed is receiving and
>sending emails, doing some filtering and serving these mails to the
>users. For such use cases, I would rather trust a well-thought default
>configuration than random fiddling with config files after hours of
>reading outdated tutorials. I have been maintaining a mailserver for
>an association over a few years and learned a lot in the course but I
>really wish it had been less painful: documentation was often
>incomplete or outdated, it seems it is getting better though.
>
>Being able to tune things is nice and a requirement for less common
>use cases, but why should it be a mess for the simple systems?
>Maybe I'm being naive here and there is no such thing as a simple mail
>server configuration, but the huge penetration of exchange says at
>least that there is a market for it... I would be much more
>confortable in a world where more workgroup are able to switch to open
>solutions, and this requires making them integrated and easy to set
>up.
>
>Fixing shortcomings in the current implementation seems important but
>please don't stop providing good default configuration and helpers for
>the common needs.
>
>Sorry for the rant, and I want to emphasise that I for one appreciate
>a lot the effort to make this less difficult for non-full-time
>sysadmins!
>
Well put. There are a LOT fewer requests for help with this kind of setup since
we had dovecot-postfix. I think it clearly helps people get started with
Ubuntu Server and that is a very Ubuntu thing to do.
Scott K
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