Hi Kaj :) I'll continue top posting ;).
To be honest, I can't see any disadvantage to set every user to the group audio, but I might have miss something. Why do we have a group "audio"? Perhaps there's a valid reason not to set every user to the group audio. I don't know. Regards, Ralf On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 14:09 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > Only an admin is allowed to install programs, and if the admin would be > given a choice to include users to audio group during installation of a > package (you can always answer no), than what is the problem? You'll > have to do it anyway if you are intending to get realtime privilege > (though many won't know they need to, and there's no telling when they > realize the do). > This audio group problem is one of those things that make it endlessly > frustrating for people who only wish to install audio apps and start > using them. > > As for Ubuntu Studio itself, it is intended for audio production, > (amongst other things), and for Ubuntu Studio it makes no sense at all > to leave users without realtime privilege when creating new users. > > It is of course different when installing packages, but this one problem > could so easily be clarified to any user (they would at least become > aware of it) if it would be included in the install process of jackd. > > On 2012-01-22 12:46, Ralf Madorf wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 03:58 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > >> My point in bringing up this problem with audio group was that new users > >> (who wouldn't know about audio group) shouldn't have to create a new > >> user and find that the new user cannot use audio applications in realtime. > >> Having the option of administrating groups will of course always remain, > >> but from my point of view, a distro like UbuntuStudio should have audio > >> group as a default group for both the desktop and administrator users. > >> Not having that is in my view a bug. > >> As pointed out, the user who installs the system from DVD will belong to > >> audio group, but not in any other other case. > >> > >> But, in case you don't install from DVD... > >> When installing ubuntustudio-packages separately from another Ubuntu > >> based distro you will not get user to belong to audio group, and there > >> is no direct explanation to why realtime won't work in this situation. > >> While it is possible to find this out, isn't it much preferable for the > >> user not having to know? [snip] > > > > You can't handle permissions that slipshod if it's for a repository used > > by several "Sub-"Ubuntus. Note that I installed Edubuntu and then added > > the Ubuntu Studio repository. Now imagine that this Edubuntu is used by > > very young children (btw. it isn't used by children on my machine). It's > > better the admin needs to google for an issue such as a group audio, > > than automatically add users to groups. If you want your children being > > able to run http://www.tuxpaint.org, you might not want them to be able > > to run your audio work to sync a raunchy video too ;). This of cause > > isn't a good example, since we would disable permissions to open such a > > project folder, because a group audio anyway wouldn't protect against > > access. > > As long as your Linux is for a single user only and it e.g. might only > > be a DAW, perhaps without an Internet connection, you can set SUID for > > all folders, you can run audio sessions as root etc., but as soon as > > it's a multi-user machine, there's the need to have an admin with > > knowledge. > > Regarding to the group audio there might be no security issue, dunno, I > > just want to warn that there might be a risk we all miss. > > > > 2 Cents, > > > > Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
