I have been a jack users since pretty much the beginning. The key is in choosing hardware from vendors who are not hostile to open source OSs. I am a huge fan of my RME 9652 and RME ADI 8-DS, This hardware has worked out of the box on the last 3 machines used (an AMD 4400+, an Intel Core2 duo, and a Sandybridge based Intel). When I can no longer use a PCI card, I will do what I did before, research hardware components that are supported.
It sucks that we have to do this, unfortunately there is not a lot that can be done if the hardware vendors provide no assistance. Even a company like RME that has in the past been very cooperative may not always be so (the Fireface is notorious for not working). There is always a price for freedom. On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:39 AM, daniel murray <danielmurra...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hello, > > I switched from Windows years ago - will never go back...here's my list of > hardware that I use that always works: > > e-machine AMD64 (2.4ghz) > 1 GB Ram > 160 GB HD Sata 1 > M-Audio AudioPhile USB (version 1, 16 bit only) > NVidia graphics chipset (imbedded) > realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) > realtek NIC 100MB > > e-machine intel p4 2.4 ghz > 1 gb ram > 80 gb HD sata 1 > M-Audio Audiophile PCI 24/96 > intel graphics chipset > realtek NIC 100MB > asus MB > realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) > > Asus one netbook (LMAO!!) > 2 core atom 1ghz cpu > 1 GB ram > 8 GB hd (5400 rpm - lmao) > 8 GB sd (the bad transend sd cards) > intel graphics chipset > b43 wireless > realtek NIC > > intel iMac (circa 2007) > 1 GB Ram > 160 GB sata 1 HD > intel HDA sound card > ATI Raedeon 1600XT > intel NIC 1000GB > b43 wireless > > I'm running 11.10 and 10.04 with low-latency kernels. I even use netjack > alond with the sneaky ssh -X to link in with other PC's in the studio. > > Yes there is hope. > > Cheers, Daniel. > > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Hartmut Noack <zettber...@linuxuse.de>wrote: > >> Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**__ >>>> Von: Hartmut Noack<zettber...@linuxuse.de> >>>> An: >>>> ubuntu-studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.com<ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 >>>> Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope >>>> >>>> Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: >>>> >>>>> So, if I ready correctly: >>>>> >>>> >>>> It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you >>>> would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and >>>>> mixing environment. >>>>> Why: >>>>> 1) kernel issues >>>>> 2) driver issues >>>>> >>>> >>>> All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations >>>> of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including >>>> Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does >>>> not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus >>>> the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my >>>> Firewire-interface. >>>> >>>> Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. >>>> It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and >>>> soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Options: >>>>> 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of >>>>> ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option >>>>> >>>> >>>> Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, >>>> for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did >>>> work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to >>>> support the same as good. >>>> >>>> 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, >>>>> maybe all >>>>> you need - realistic option >>>>> >>>> >>>> Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not >>>> work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. >>>> >>>> 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - >>>>> unrealistic >>>>> option >>>>> >>>> >>>> I do not really understand, what you mean by "a decent Sound API" Jack >>>> and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found >>>> a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these >>>> APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is >>>> irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. >>>> >>>> Ubuntu/Linux is >>>>> supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production >>>>> is not >>>>> one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants >>>> did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. >>>>> You >>>>> can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS >>>>> layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to >>>>> work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your >>>> interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of >>>> MacOSX? >>>> >>>> Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such >>>> issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, >>>> that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians.... >>>> >>>> >>>> , why >>>>> ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because >>>>> the >>>>> kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you >>>>> are >>>>> not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu >>>>> Studio. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> >>>> HZN >>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza<tezalp...@gmail.com> escribió: >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>>> Should try.Tango Studio >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Teza. >>>>>> Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, "Rick Green"<r...@aapsc.com> a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing >>>>>> environment? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire >>>>>>> interface, >>>>>>> largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the >>>>>>> ffado >>>>>>> project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean >>>>>>> install >>>>>>> wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge >>>>>>> copy >>>>>>> of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled >>>>>>> locally, I >>>>>>> was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to >>>>>>> work-around >>>>>>> its quirks >>>>>>> When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to >>>>>>> see the >>>>>>> latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the >>>>>>> order >>>>>>> I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. >>>>>>> Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are >>>>>>> stacking up faster than ever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave >>>>>>> it a >>>>>>> first attempt with the firewire interface... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the >>>>>>> ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus >>>>>>> server >>>>>>> isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then >>>>>>> when I >>>>>>> restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. >>>>>>> This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run >>>>>>> ffado-test >>>>>>> ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire >>>>>>> driver, >>>>>>> accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, >>>>>>> it fails >>>>>>> with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or >>>>>>> ffado-dbus-server >>>>>>> first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start >>>>>>> ffado-mixer first.) >>>>>>> I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two >>>>>>> tracks of >>>>>>> whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. >>>>>>> About 24 >>>>>>> minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns >>>>>>> recorded(!), >>>>>>> jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is >>>>>>> locked up, >>>>>>> too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 >>>>>>> everything >>>>>>> jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power >>>>>>> it back >>>>>>> on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell >>>>>>> Ardour >>>>>>> to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's >>>>>>> transport >>>>>>> was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with >>>>>>> the |<< >>>>>>> button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the >>>>>>> aborted >>>>>>> capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. >>>>>>> I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and >>>>>>> qjackctl >>>>>>> threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already >>>>>>> shut down >>>>>>> at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then >>>>>>> qjackctl >>>>>>> itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' >>>>>>> message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the >>>>>>> terminal >>>>>>> and resort to kill -9 again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I >>>>>>> don't see >>>>>>> any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. >>>>>>> Have they >>>>>>> gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would >>>>>>> it be >>>>>>> any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Rick Green >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >>>>>>> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." >>>>>>> -Benjamin Franklin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our >>>>>>> safety and our ideals." >>>>>>> -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >>>>>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.**ub**untu.com <http://ubuntu.com>< >>>>>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users@**lists.ubuntu.com<Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** >>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-****studio-users<https://lists.** >>>>>>> ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/**ubuntu-studio-users<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >>>>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.com<Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**studio-users<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >>>> Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.com<Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** >>>> mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**studio-users<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Hartmut, >>>> >>>> could you post the setup of your systems that have always worked? >>>> >>> >> PC >> with Asus-Board and IntelQuadcore >> NVidia-Graphics(prop. drivers) >> MAudio Audiophile 2496 (does not work well with PA, perfectly with ALSA >> and Jack. Since KXStudio bridges PA to Jack and starts Jack by default, >> this is no issue to be solved by hand anymore)) >> Presonus Firebox (trouble can be caused by some FW-Chipsets, works best >> with the built-in of the ASUS) >> MAudio mobile Pre USB (Jack needs to be forced to use 16bit) >> >> I use the MAudio mobile with a Thinkpad T60 also, works out of the box in >> Fedora+CCRMA and Suse >> >> best regards >> >> HZN >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe you have done that already and it is available somewhere in an >>> archive or blog, please send me the URL. Thanks in advance. >>> >>>> >>>> On a different topic. >>>> I was getting very tired of listening to the fan noise of my laptop. I >>>> had bought an external fan (ZALMAN) onto which I would place the laptop and >>>> it was working quite well, but still: noise. Maybe the open source graphics >>>> driver wasn't able to control the fan too well. >>>> I looked for alternatives and considered several options e.g. server >>>> and thin client setup, with a server in a different room. Or a tower PC >>>> with extra quite fans. >>>> >>>> For a couple of days now, working on the PC has become a new sensation. >>>> I found a completely fan-less system (http://www.caseking.de/shop/** >>>> catalog/King-Mod-No-Noise-**HTPC-Gigabyte-AMD-APU-E350::**17711.html<http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/King-Mod-No-Noise-HTPC-Gigabyte-AMD-APU-E350::17711.html>). >>>> I've added a Samsung SDD and a 21" LED monitor from AOC. Currently I am >>>> running xubuntu 11.10. I haven't tweaked it yet (e.g. 3D graphics drivers, >>>> desktop effects, etc.). I was looking for some nice temperature meter on >>>> the desktop for xfce, but I think I need compiz for desktop effects first. >>>> So far I have a terminal open with "watch sensors", that keeps me updated >>>> on the temperature of the system. On the average it is about 50 degrees >>>> Celcius, very similar to what I saw on my laptop with fans. >>>> I learned that when using Gigabyte motherboards and trying to boot from >>>> USB sticks is not easily accomplished. But thanks to others sharing their >>>> solution, I was able to install xubuntu from a USB stick. >>>> I am not sure whether the CPU power will be enough for more heavyweight >>>> kind of work (e.g. video encoding), but general applications (office, >>>> browser) are a breeze. >>>> Standby and suspend worked out of the box. Apparently the network card: >>>> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet >>>> controller (rev 06) can have problems with dual boot Windows (where Windows >>>> puts it into sleep during shutdown and the linux driver not being able to >>>> wake it up again - or something). I don't have dual boot at the moment, so >>>> I cannot comment on that. But I have seen this behavior on a laptop (ASUS, >>>> AMD E450) with dual boot . >>>> ... >>>> and still: no noise :) >>>> >>>> Just wanted to share. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Stefan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >> Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.com<Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** >> mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**studio-users<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users> >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > >
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