On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote: > On 25/03/2012 10:18, alan c wrote: >> On 23/03/12 22:11, scoundrel50a wrote: >>> On 23/03/2012 22:04, Alan Pope wrote: >>> On 23/03/12 21:45, Daniel Case wrote: >>>>>> On 23 March 2012 21:21, Neil Greenwood >>>>>> <neil.greenwood....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> They spent lots of money testing different behaviours >>>>>> In my opinion, this is where the problem lies. The main people >>>>>> Linux attracts, no matter which way you look at it, are hackers (in >>>>>> the general sense). >>> That's exactly the problem we're trying to solve. Not asking the >>> target audience, but only asking hackers would be arrogant and >>> foolhardy. That's why we don't do that. We do listen to feedback, more >>> than you'd imagine, and decisions taken about design (for example) are >>> directly affected by user feedback. That doesn't happen for every >>> minute decision, but it happens. >>> >>> We're also making it easier to buy computers with Ubuntu pre-installed >>> by talking to hardware vendors, to get it shipped from the factory. >>> It's hard work and takes a long time to do but we're getting there. >>> >>>>>> Which brings me back to my first point, who's going to advocate >>>>>> Ubuntu if it annoys the hacker and makes life more difficult? >>>>>> >>> Those of us who do like it, do use it and believe it is the right path >>> for Ubuntu to take. If you don't then you have a number of options:- >>> >>> * Install a different desktop environment on your Ubuntu system >>> * Join the discussion on the various Ubuntu development lists to >>> articulate how we're doing things wrong >>> * Test and file bugs when things don't work correctly >>> * Provide patches or programs to help Ubuntu& Unity to appeal >>> >>> Personally I am in this for the long haul. Each 6 monthly release is >>> fantastic, but I'm thinking years away from now, and I'm happy to >>> persevere through the rough times because I think the long term goal >>> is worth it. >>> >>> Frankly if people who are "inside" our community, "hackers" as you >>> call them aren't willing to get stuck in then Linux Mint, Debian, >>> Fedora and hundreds of other distros are -> that way. Enjoy! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> oooh and who took your dummy away.......that was my reaction when I read >>> that.......but the thing is, you work for Canonical, so your going to >>> say that, whatever happens........what is frustrating is people on here >>> are giving an opinion and its being thrown aside is if it doesnt matter >>> because you have all this research into what people like, but people are >>> here telling you different, that has been going on since 11.04 people >>> have said they dont like it......and its not getting better its getting >>> worse..... >> I think that is an unfair response. Alan has personally given me >> unbelievable support over many years for my activities as a volunteer >> advocate of FLOSS and Ubuntu. >> What he says is sensible and quite proper, and I am delighted that he >> has the courage to post on this group. > I am glad that he has been helpful to you, but this thread has shown a > different side, one that says, if you dont like it go elsewhere, is that > helpful, that is effectively telling people he has no time for them, > that isnt consistent.....if he keeps saying that people will start going > elsewhere......is that what you really want?
On the contrary. I went up to a counter in a (french) market and asked for a cup of tea. I was treated politely, however they explained they were a restaurant counter only and did not serve drinks, however they were careful to direct me to a nearby counter which was a bar, and served exactly what wanted. the same happened when I went into a shop wantnig a bottle of milk. I got directed to another shop 400 meters away, and did manage to get what I wanted. It is, surely, quite appropriate to be directed to a place to get what you say you want? Anything else would be unhelpful. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
