Mwaami Kasangwawo
Can you please be kind to repost where I posted the Buganda Constitution?
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> Mulindwa,
>
> its good to know.
>
> To be honest, I don't quite understand what you want from me. What I said
in
> my previous posting should not be news to you. You see, just a couple of
> months ago YOU posted on this net, under one of your stupid subject
titles,
> a document headed: "Constitution of Buganda under a federal arrangement".
> Let me quote a short passage from that document:
>
> "1 (4) (a) The local administrations within Buganda jurisdiction shall do
> away with the districts and
> (b) All local administrations shall revert back to Ssaza
(county),
> Gombolola (sub-county), Muluka (borough) and Kyalo (village). Districts
and
> Zones classifications shall no longer apply to Buganda Kingdom."
>
> As you can see this was not an invention of mine (but I thought you would
> support it since you are against the RC system anyway). I therefore fail
to
> understand your complete surprise at what I said. I just wish you would
read
> the stuff you post here before you expose your ignorance.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:41:12 -0400
> >
> >Kasangwawo
> >
> >No not at all I opposed the RC system and publicly right from 1984/5 to
> >today I have changed nothing. But that posting was intended to show the
> >loop
> >holes that happens in the postings you do. (You should thank me for
> >stopping
> >that sentence right there) Now that I have answered to your question, can
> >you respond to my posting?
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:02 AM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> >
> >
> > > Mulindwa,
> > >
> > > what's your problem ? Are you now all of a sudden in support of the RC
> > > system ?
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> > > >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:23:49 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Kasangwawo
> > > >
> > > >"- You ask what will happen to LCs. Excuse me, where have you been ?
> >There
> > > >will be no LCs in Buganda under federal governance. We have our
> >long-tested
> > > >councils such as Ssaza, Muluka, Ggombolola councils. Consequently,
> >there
> > > >will be no additional layer of administration."
> > > >
> > > >Before you are excused I want to get this very clear. So you are
asking
> >NRM
> > > >to give you Federalism, and you are telling NRM that if it gives you
> > > >federalism, there will never be an RC system in Buganda/Uganda? So
you
> >are
> > > >saying that the introduction of Federalism will be the death of the
RC
> > > >system? How did you decide this, is it information you have from the
> >NRM
> > > >secretariat or it is your own decision you have made through your
> >Federism
> > > >fantasy?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:00 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I must admit that I've never found the New Vision editorials
> >brilliant,
> > > >but
> > > > > this one was one of the worst I've read. It was written from a
> >position
> > > >of
> > > > > ignorance and assumptions. Here just a few questions/comments to
the
> > > >editor:
> > > > >
> > > > > - What sort of dominance are you talking about - political,
economic
> >or
> > > >what
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > - Where did you get the idea that officials in the Federal State
of
> > > >Buganda
> > > > > will be appointed by the Kabaka ?
> > > > >
> > > > > - You ask what will happen to LCs. Excuse me, where have you been
?
> > > >There
> > > > > will be no LCs in Buganda under federal governance. We have our
> > > >long-tested
> > > > > councils such as Ssaza, Muluka, Ggombolola councils. Consequently,
> >there
> > > > > will be no additional layer of administration.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Your fourth point does not make any sense. At the core of
> >federalism
> > > >is
> > > > > the sharing of power between the Federal (central) government and
> >State
> > > > > (regional) governments. Underlying this responsibility is the
fiscal
> > > >issue
> > > > > which is also part of the essence of the federal system of
> >governance.
> > > >So,
> > > > > regardless of the nonsense emanating from the corner of the
National
> > > > > Political Commissar (oh, how reminiscent of the communist times),
> >under
> > > >a
> > > > > true federal system, Buganda would collect taxes.
> > > > > You seem to forget that under a unitary system as we have now, a
> >peasant
> > > >in
> > > > > Buganda might also rightly ask why his tax payments go to Lango or
> > > > > Jopadholaland.
> > > > >
> > > > > - I don't know where you got the information that Baganda don't
like
> > > >federo,
> > > > > but the only record available (the Odoki comm. report) points to
the
> > > > > opposite, and it was done when the LC system was in existence. In
> >any
> > > >case,
> > > > > LC officials do not make up the majority of the population.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Editor, federo, far from being a fantasy, is the future of a
> >more
> > > > > prosperous and peaceful Uganda. You only need to get educated
about
> >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasangwawo.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS.
> > > > > How come you do not give any comments on the other topic you
started
> > > >with -
> > > > > the lifting of term limits for the presidency ?
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:35:19 +0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Editorial : newvision 26/8/2003
> > > > > >
> > > > > >'Federo' is a fantasy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >CABINET HAS decided to push for the lifting of term limits for
the
> > > > > >presidency and a return to federo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >However, a representative of the Buganda kingdom has responded
that
> >the
> > > >two
> > > > > >issues should be delinked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >He is right. The two issues are both too complex to consider
> >together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In particular the restoration of federo, or a federal kingdom, is
> > > >risky.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Firstly, the dominance of the Buganda kingdom at independence
> >created
> >a
> > > > > >political imbalance that destabilised the country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Secondly, a federal kingdom is not the most progressive form of
> > > >government.
> > > > > >As head of state, the Kabaka will appoint chiefs, ministers and
> > > >officials.
> > > > > >What will happen to the authority of democratically elected LC5
and
> >LC3
> > > > > >officials?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thirdly, is an additional layer of administration in Buganda even
> > > > > >necessary?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Fourthly, this administration will have to be funded either by
> >local
> > > > > >taxation or by increased taxation by the central government. If
the
> > > >central
> > > > > >government pays, a peasant in West Nile might ask why his tax
> >payments
> > > >go
> > > > > >to the Kabaka of Buganda.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Fifthly, how many Baganda truly want federo? Many elected LC
> >officials
> > > > > >favour loose cooperation under a charter, as Busoga is
attempting,
> >but
> > > > > >oppose the idea of an administrative federal kingdom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Federo has become a fantasy, a dream for a return to the 1950s
and
> > > >1960s
> > > > > >when people were more prosperous and society more orderly. But it
> >is
> > > > > >impossible to turn the clock back. If the kingdom returns,
Baganda
> >will
> > > > > >still find themselves in today's Uganda where the world coffee
> >price
> >is
> > > > > >lower than the 1960s and KCC cannot fix the roads.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It is not worth changing the Constitution for the sake of an
> >illusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Published on: Tuesday, 26th August, 2003
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Email this article to a friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mitayo Potosi
> > > > > >
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