Kipenji either you woke up on the wrong side of your bed this morning or you are interpreting my postings your way. To start off i have always maintained that the problem in the north of Uganda is a Ugandan one which needs to be solved by Ugandans. Where i have disagreed with you guys (and still do) is w.r.t to who the pertuator of these atrocities is. I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT KONY IS THE CULPRIT WHOM ALL UGANDANS MUST GET TOGETHER TO STOP. MY POSTINGS CAN BARE THAT OUT. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS COMING TO TERMS WITH YOUR LIES. I GUESS YOU ARE REALIZING NOW THAT MATEK HAS BEEN DECIEVING YOU ABOUT THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE NORTH AND YOU ARE TRYING TO USE ME TO COVER YOUR INITIAL IGNORANCE.

I HAVE NEVER USED ANY DEROGATORY WORD IN REFERENCE TO ANY TRIBE IN UGANDA...YOU CALL YOURSELVES WHATEVER YOU CALL YOURSELVES THAT IS YOUR BUSSINESS. IF CALLING KONY AND LRA, TERRORIST AND MURDERS IS DEROGATORY TO ACHOLIS OR NORTHERNERS THEN SO BE IT, BECAUSE KONY AND LRA ARE MURDERERS AND TERRORIST, I CAN SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITHOUT LOSING ANY SLEEP OVER IT. IF THAT OFFENDS YOU AS A NORTHERNER THEN SO BE IT.

THE EVIDENCE IS THERE ON THE GROUND THAT KONY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KILLING, RAPING, MAIMING AND ABDUCTION OF UGANDAN CITIZENS IN THE NORTH. I HAVE NEVER ON THIS MEDIUM EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE SUFFERINGS OF UGANDANS IN THE NORTH.

ON THE CONTRARY YOU ARE THE PEOPLE GUILTY OF MURDER BECAUSE YOU PUBLICLY SUPPORT WHAT KONY AND LRA ARE DOING IN THE NORTH, YOU EVEN PROUDLY ADVERTISE THERE ACHIEVEMENTS IN KILLING UGANDANS. BY THE WAY THE PEOPLE IN NORTHERN UGANDA ARE NOT YOUR PROPERTY MR. MATEK AND MR KIPENJI, I DON'T NEED THE APPROVAL OF A NORHTERNER IN ORDER FOR MY FEELINGS OF SYMPATHY TO BE LEGITIMATE.

I STAND BY OUR PRESIDENT AND ALL THE EFFORTS HE IS MAKING IN STOPPING KONY AND LRA AND ULTIMATELY THE SUFFERINGS OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS IN THE NORTH OF UGANDA. YOU GUYS DO NOT REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF NORTHERNERS IN UGANDA, AS USUAL YOU ARE TRYING TO CON US INTO THINKING OTHERWISE.

YOU SIT THERE IN CANADA AND AMERICA TALKING RUBBISH WHILE PEOPLE ARE DIEING BECAUSE OF ONE MANS (KONY'S) MADNESS AND THEN YOU CRUELLY COME ON THIS MEDIUM AND SUPPORT HIM. I DARE KIPENJI AND MATEK TO GO TO KITGUM, LIRA AND ITESOT AND SAY TO THE VICTIM OF KONY WHAT YOU SAY ON THIS MEDIUM AND LET'S SEE WHETHER YOU'LL COME OUT ALIVE. STUPID FOOLS.




From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ugnet_: International image of LRA
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:29:58 +0000 (GMT)

Musaazi,I am indeed both amazed and perturbed by your coming to
age that the problems of Acholi et Northern Uganda is a problem of
all Ugandans!.When did you make this miraculous about turn?.Or you
have slept soundly so much that you are sick of the slumber and you
feel others,especially those biologics from the North and East have at
least temporarily now qualified to meet the standards of your attention?
Musaazi,whitewashes are just white washes and in themselves are never
white,but just a hue thereof,so stop this reptilian metarmorphosis as if
the sufferings borne by the people of the North and East at the behest of
your erstwhile alliance of the willing and both the knowing and the unknowing started yesterday.
Even without and inspite of no support from the Musaazis of this world,the heinous crimes that your alliance has committed against the
people of the East and North has not annihilated them as you planned but instead made them aware of your covert intentions.
Time they say is the best judge and I believe Time is now very fast catching up on you.
My advise to you is to live true to yourself and shade of the veneer of concern that you want people to believe you have for those Badokoolos
and Anyanyas.This will be much better than the hypocrisy you are now
embracing.
Personally I will deal with people who are true to themselves than hypocrites for these are indeed very cold blooded murderers.
Have a wonderful,hypocrite free week and desist from apostasy.
Akuume.
Kipenji.
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emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Miss Toro, what in my postings makes me a "cold blooded murderer". The
postings i have put up are views both from within Uganda (by Ugandans) and
from outside Uganda (by the international community), unless you are
suggesting that institutions such as Human Rights Watch and governments of
America, and Britain are "cold blooded killers"....No you are the cold
blooded killers who pretend to represent people in the north as a pretext
for exploiting their tragedy for political rewards. This is what irks me the
most.


Netters, the problem in the north should be one that all Ugandans
irrespective of tribe, religion or political afiliations, should come
together as one to solve. We are talking about HUMAN LIVES HERE NOT
MERCHANDISE. All of Uganda ought to unite to stop Kony. But when i see some
postings by some peopl on this medium saying that KONY DOES NOT EVEN EXIST
AND THAT IT IS UPDF DOING ALL THE KILLING, IT REALY ANNOYS ME AND THIS
DESPITE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. NETTERS, THERE MUST BE A LIMIT
THAT WE AS UGANDANS SHOULD GO TO GET POWER, EXPLOITING A TRAGEDY SUCH AS THE
ONE IN THE NORTH....I'M SORRY TO ME, CROSSES THE LINE AND WE WILL CONTINUE
TO EXPOSE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE AND IN THE END AS USUAL THE TRUTH WILL
PREVAIL.



>From: "Lisa Toro"


>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: International image of LRA
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:42:20 -0000
>
>Musaazi!,
>
>You are a calculating cold blooded murderer and tribualist, every child in
>Uganda should keep far from people like you!!!
>
>Toro
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: emmanuel musaazi
>To:
>Cc:
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:12 AM
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: International image of LRA
>
>
> > Mulindwa what you are dismissing as mere "history" is what will be your
> > undoing. The past is a determinant of the future.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Edward Mulindwa"
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To:
> > >CC:
> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: International image of LRA
> > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:11:31 -0500
> > >
> > >Matek
> > >
> > >Let this man rest in his pieces, for this struggle has been long and
>hard
> > >and I wonder whether Mukulu Musaazi is a part of solution. His old
>history
> > >postings referred.
> > >
> > >Em
> > >
> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: International image of LRA
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/3/2003 6:19:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Matek you are not only stupid, but your TRIBAL BIGOTRY IS NOW
>REARING
> > >IT'S
> > > UGLY HEAD. SO IN YOUR MIND IF KONY KILLS 50 PEOPLE IN ACHOLI LAND
>YOU
> > >EXPECT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah stupid like your mama I guess. and I eat in your mama
>House!!....
> > >Look some of us can also get very emotional.
> > >
> > > Museveni started the Bigotry thing of which you speak about.
>You
> > >never call Museveni stupid.
> > >
> > > The fact is that, Yoweri Museveni, a tutsi or (Muhuma what ever)
>is
> > >killing the acholis in the million and now he has shifted his
>killings
> > >into teso land.
> > >
> > > He has permanently displaced even many more acholis in the so
>called
> > >Camps... and when we begin taking about this ...you say we are bigots.
> > >when Screw You dude!
> > > Bloody!!!
> > > Matek
> >
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