Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)

Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:45:41 -0800

 Mulindwa
 
I went too deep and expected you to react like you did.
 
REREAD my posting carefully and you may see what I am saying. Somehow I think that Matek understood.
 
I have no fear of a public inquiry in Uganda genocides, why should I? I am but a victim.
What is the point of asking the hyena to keep the meat?
WHo is responsible for these genocides and will the inquiry not be conducted by the same??
 
Learn to read between the lines 

Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mwaami Nume
 
Again you are twisting my statements, there is no any where that I have stated that deaths in Uganda started in Northern Uganda, I have been very clear in asking for a public inquirely into the massacres in Uganda, I have used Luwero as an example and it is so sad that you have missed all those calls. And my greatest fear is people like your self who publicly state that we have been with massacres in Uganda but you fear to call for those inquireries, you come in public forums as here, you go in public meetings both in and out of Uganda and pretend to know every thing that happened in Uganda's history. You know who killed the people in Luwero and it was Obote, you know who killed the people in Nakaseke and it was UNLA. Well can you at least stand up and ask for the government to charge them? And I differ from such a very sick thinking, I think that Ugandans are developed enough to stand up and tell who killed them. Why can Rwanda do it and Ugandans can not?
 
"Careful plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even the victims themselves." 
 
Honestly if you know that such a divide was made why are you pandering to the same? Why is it so crucial for you to find a difference between a massacre of a Ugandan in an IDP camp and that of the rest of Ugandans? Simon splitting up that small nation into small fractions is the lesson that has been introduced to Uganda by Museveni's song of Ugandan's problem is North Vs South, it is sad that even a man like you who should know better use it in your argument. Genocide is bad whether it is in the North or in the South end of the story, and any thing out side that norm is to create camps in our country, camps that are today in North but tomorrow will be in Western Uganda. Rwanda has reached such a hetrade where they are today because they do not have any Rwandese issue, their issues are always Hutu Based or Tutsi based and I want you to look very closely on Rwanda, for critical thinkers know for a fact that Kagame's exit is going to create such a genocide that will make the past one a joke.
 
It is very sad for Baganda have decided to take us the Rwanda hate trip and it is to the rest of Ugandans to fight it tooth and knail to see that it never succeeds.
 
It is also interesting that now you have started to note that Kezio Musoke's family was butchered, and you continue "Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera "  Well The Kezio Musoke I know is a Musoga, did we have a genocide in Busoga as well, and if we had a genocide in Busoga as you seem to state today, why would the repercussion be in Kyengera? 
 
Mwaami Nume it is time we start to think about Uganda as a nation, it is called nationalism.
 
Em
Toronto
 
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)

Mulindwa
 
When the truth ever comes out, it will be revealed that real genocide took place in Uganda.
 
In order to understand HOW this genocide was perpetrated, one has to understand the preparations and earlier genocides which took place before the one in the north.
Look out Bwanika's posting for a lot of this background
 
Careful plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even the victims themselves. 
 
Before you accuse Kezio Musoke and Kansangwawo of not caring about the dead in the north, ask who cared when Musoke's whole family was butchered.??
 
Incidentally there is now a concerted effort to force Musoke to forget what happened to him or to force him to accept that he got what he deserved. If they can try and do this to Musoke, I shudder what they will do to Nyeko after they release him from an IDP camp.
 
They will make Nyeko ,Atim, Nobert Mao, Cecilia Ogwal etc  kneel down to thank the Nya........  saviours who saved them from the horrors of  'Kony', and the white world will clap and award the man more money for solving the 'war'.
 
Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera where one day he will spring to murder Musoke, Mukasa, while Nya.... and Bya......  are getting world peace prizes.
 
Laughable 
 
Nume
 
 
 
 
 
 


jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mulindwa,
 
I have never stopped you from posting about the war in northern Uganda. On the contrary, I have always encouraged you to stick to your pet subject, the North.
 
Kasangwawo

From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:40:55 -0400

Matek/Nume
 
There are facts in our nation we just cannot ignore, just on record I was a member on New Vision discussion board few months ago and I posted the same facts that actually UPDF is killing our people and I questioned the presence of Konny in Northern Uganda. New Vision decided to boot me out of the forum and not to email me even the daily paper, for what I stated was a disrespect to the good national force of UPDF. Today CIA its self is claiming the same thing, and I wonder what Kezio the New Vision administrator has to say on a CIA report. And if you read carefully I forwarded the same posting to him.
 
I have taken a great time asking about this un ending war, at times gone even opposite to people who follow North issues like Matek for it just did not add up. Today we have pictures of Konny fighters with Rastas. Give me a dam break, did Museveni's fighters in Luwero have Rastas or Konny is just to smarter than how Museveni was in the bush? Some thing is just out right wrong in Northern Uganda and all Uganda government has to do is to look into our face and tell us the truth of who is killing our people. In time I am going to post a writing on this same war. Look there are those of us who have spent a whole life time on this war, when the Kasangwawo's did not even allow us to post that there is a war in Northern Uganda at all, we have lived all our life time fighting these human right abuses. When we were asked why we even care when we are Baganda. This article was written by a non Ugandan , how long are the Kezio Musoke's of today going to hold Northerners at ransom, how many are going to die to make the Kezio's care?
 
North is suffering today and it is going to become a pain in twenty years if we do not open up and talk about it today based on facts. And I need to know what UPDF is doing that we are not told for starters.
 
Em
Toronto
 
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)

Culu Nume:
 
Yes indeed we have spent decades here on Ugandanet informing our fellow citizens, that those committing heinous crimes against the people of Northern  and Eastern Uganda, are none other then the UPDF.... did people listen... hell no!
Now the fact are coming out!!..even the US Central Intelligence Agency now believes that the enermy  is within the UPDF.... read Mulindwa article!!
 
Matek

Simon Nume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But recent revelations in Dar-es-Salaam show that the Ugandan leader’s sudden shift in gear in the search for peace in the north would startle, even humble many of his critics, if indeed it is true he had received intelligence reports from the US’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that indict his top aides for complicity in the war in the north. Sources within the Tanzania Defence Forces told The Sunday Standard recently how Museveni had for two decades been duped by his top military commanders, senior government officials and relatives into chasing a mirage in the form of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) Rebel leader, Joseph Kony.
 
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Mulindwa and Matek
 
I have spent the last 10 years on this net trying to make this point.
Thank God somebody else is finally seeing the light.
 
If UPDF = KONY,  how long before you get UPDF = KONY = M7.
 
Nume


Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
By Ernest Mpinganjira
While on a tour to northern Uganda whose residents, have endured brutal rebel insurgency over 20 years, President Yoweri Museveni complained angrily that the "peace talks were taking too long".
He even threatened to personally take over the negotiations from his aides. The loud lament and impatience came barely two months after the peace process got under way. In the words of a Ugandan journalist "M-7 wants the crisis in the north over as soon as yesterday".
Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni
So, why the sudden change of tact and impatience when weeks before the talks began, Museveni had vowed to pursue the rebels right into the Democratic Republic of Congo? He had even sought United Nations’ backing to flush out the rebels from Congo. For those who are aware of the atrocities committed by Ugandan forces in eastern DRC, the threats were perceived as a camouflaged attempt to send the Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) into the DRC again to continue with the plunder of natural resources. This included the trafficking of minerals, timber, cultural artifacts and game trophies.
But there had been a slight shift in Museveni’s handling national issues. Most notable was that a month before, he had agreed to send representatives to meet the LRA top leadership. He also had invited his opponents in the March presidential election to State House ‘for tea’. All the presidential candidates, except his bitter rival, Kizza Besigye from the Forum for Democratic Change, turned up. Former First Lady, Miriam Obote, wife to the late Milton Obote also attended. When this took place, some analysts were quick to dismiss Museveni’s move as an attempt to appease the public. Still, other critics viewed Museveni’s recent gust of magnanimity as a pubic relations gimmick ahead of the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, which Kampala hosts in November next year.
But recent revelations in Dar-es-Salaam show that the Ugandan leader’s sudden shift in gear in the search for peace in the north would startle, even humble many of his critics, if indeed it is true he had received intelligence reports from the US’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that indict his top aides for complicity in the war in the north. Sources within the Tanzania Defence Forces told The Sunday Standard recently how Museveni had for two decades been duped by his top military commanders, senior government officials and relatives into chasing a mirage in the form of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) Rebel leader, Joseph Kony.
"For as long as the conflict in the north persisted, people close to Museveni were in business. They supplied LRA with weapons and war logistics. On their own LRA were not skilled and equipped enough to engage in common combat," a senior defence officer said. The revelations that defence officers were behind arming LRA added a new twist to the already familiar angle; that the Sudanese government in Khartoum was bankrolling LRA to root out former Sudanese People’s Liberation Army/Movement rebels (SPLA/M) from their positions in the northern Uganda. Khartoum had long accused Kampala that it was supporting SPLA/M, which until two years ago had waged a war to secede from the Muslim north.
A Defence source says: "Museveni was shocked when CIA brought to his attention that the enemy was within his own government and armed forces but not LRA. Elements in his government clandestinely sold firearms and military equipment to the rebels," the officer, who claimed to have personally taken part in the recent training of the Ugandan forces, said. He said Museveni responded to the new challenge by asking Tanzania to train 800 soldiers at the Monduli Military Barracks, while Kenya was to undertake the training of a new police force in attempt to decapitate the supply of firearms and equipment to the rebels. But in revelations that could shock the Kenyan government, the officer said the bungled Kenyan police recruitment in December last year was part of Kampala’s attempt to re-constitute its security forces.
The officer said the recent deployment of the Tanzanian-trained troops effectively cut the supply to LRA rendering Kony’s army militarily impotent, hence his agreement to sit down with the Ugandan government.
The said "strangers" during the police recruitment exercise actually were from Uganda. "The strangers were Ugandan trainees, a fact which Kenya and Uganda were keen to cover up, hence allegations of bribery," he said.
The emergence of LRA from the woods to negotiate peace with Museveni’s government was phenomenal. It came at a time when the region had pushed the rebellion to near-oblivion to concentrate on quelling fresh and longstanding conflicts such one on the Eritrea-Ethiopia border. Focus had suddenly shifted from some of the most ferocious wars on the continent, where ethnic tensions frequently threaten to explode into full-scale conflicts to Kony’s ragtag outfit. Either out of the stubbornness of the protagonists, Museveni and Kony, or war-weariness, the Ugandan conflict was passed over in international forums as domestic affair between an intellectual hardliner and a devious religious freak. The information tapped into from TPDF, if true, sheds light for the first time on the reasons that motivated Museveni to drop jingoism in preference to negotiating a ceasefire.
So when Uganda’s foreign minister Eriya Kategaya said recently that Kampala would rather subject LRA men to cultural justice system to give peace a chance, people in the know read the determination of Museveni to keep a tight leash on otherwise embarrassing revelations.
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
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            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
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