This discussion couldn't have come at a better time for me.  In our district, 
all new 1st year teachers meet montly to discuss Mosaic of Thought.  They are 
given MOT2 the day they are hired.  But in the past, these same teachers were 
pretty much then left on their own the next year, as the district focused on 
the next group of new hires.

I'm proud to say that this year, the group is still receiving extra 
professional development.  They are now 2nd year teachers, and they will meet 
monthly as a group.  I've been asked to moderate/facilitate their meetings (so 
exciting!) and my asst. superintendent has given them all a copy of To 
Understand.  My initial reaction was that they are not ready for this.  I've 
been teaching 8 years, and To Understand was an intense read for me my first 
time through.  But after thinking about those teachers, I thought now is the 
perfect time for them to delve in!  Now is the perfect time to take them 
deeper.  Even though the ideas in To Understand are BIG ideas, shouldn't they 
be thinking BIG?  Even if they are not quite ready to implement those ideas in 
their classrooms, shouldn't they at the very least be thinking about 
understanding and how to "get their kids there"?  

Sooo.... we are going to spend this year revisiting MOT while simultaneously 
discussing To Understand.  A lofty agenda, I know.  Our first meeting is 
tomorrow, so I'm sure I'll be back here with updates/questions/things to 
ponder.....

Dana Murphy


 


----- Original Message ----
From: jan sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Understand] Beginning with Chapter One

I am thinking back to when I read Mosaic -I devoured it.  I was in my 4th year 
of teaching.  I'm not sure how I would have reacted year 1 or 2, but I was so 
ready when I did read it.  I am the type of person who needs the background 
knowledge -I NEEDED to read the book before I tried it -even if a coach was 
showing me (and there was a coach).  I was fortunate because my district then 
sent me to Denver to the PEBC week long workshop -with my coach!

That being said, I was a coach the last 6 years (back in the classroom this 
year because of budget cuts) and whenever I was going to coach someone or model 
a technique or strategy, I had them read something about it -usually just 1 or 
2 pages -and we had a discussion before and after the lesson.  I think reading 
about it is so important.  I realize teachers are busy, that is why I would 
give them just 1 or 2 pages to read.  

I have just begun reading to understand, but I feel that if I were still 
coaching, I would lead my teachers to this level of thinking.  Think  of the 
payout.  Take it in little manageable chunks and build upon it.  Mosaic was 
great, I am finding To Understand powerful.
Jan  
We must view young people not as empty bottles to be filled, but as candles to 
be lit. 
-Robert Shaffer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: understand@literacyworkshop.org<mailto:understand@literacyworkshop.org> 
  Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Understand] Beginning with Chapter One



  Wow, Judy!
  When you say green, you mean GREEN. I didn't mean to insinuate that you are  
  leaving these new teachers to their own devices...I know better! :-)
  
  I just thought you might kill two birds with one stone. If you study  
  comprehension strategies WITH the newbies, they get the background knowledge 
and  you 
  get the professional development that comes from the discussion as well. You  
  know how you learn more about something by talking about it with  peers?  
  Well...maybe they are not ready for all that yet. Maybe what is  best is to 
find 
  out what the newbies think they need and start there.
  
  I still think that the tenants of Ellin's new book, To Understand, could  and 
  should be shared with them when they start to learn about teaching  
  comprehension. Suppose, when they are ready, they learn to teach  
  visualizing...couldn't they learn to teach some of the dimensions of  
understanding at the same 
  time? Couldn't it be integrated into the lesson? I  really don't know these 
new 
  teachers, and I can't say I have tried to teach  these dimensions of 
  understanding to many of my own staff yet...so maybe I am  really off base. 
It just 
  seems to me that what Ellin is arguing for is NOT an  add on...it should be 
an 
  integral part of strategy instruction to begin with,  shouldn't it? I think 
that 
  the What's Essential model would be the best place to  start with new 
teachers 
  since isn't that the biggest problem new teachers  have??? They never know 
  what to teach first....
  
  Please understand, Judy, I didn't mean to offend you! When I post a  
  response, I can only respond to the information you include in each post. 
From  
  hundreds of miles away, all we know is what you have originally written. 
Thanks  for 
  clarifying...and good luck!
  Jennifer
  
  
  In a message dated 9/28/2008 2:25:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  LOL,  well, I didn't want to mention it, but you're right...classroom 
  management is  the #1 challenge for these darling newbies right now (and one 
is being 
  criticized by parents for lack of).  The coach began modeling lessons for  
  them last week with the intention of showing how we manage our kids.  Of  
  course they're teaching, but there are so many hurdles just on Step  #1.

  For those who think we two vets aren't helping the newbies, LOL, my  district 
  has been a forerunner in Collaboration and the collaborative  model.  We meet 
  as a grade level for 3 hours once a week (kids at  art/music/PE) with one 
  meeting a month coached (used to be 2 coached before  this year's budget 
cuts).  
  We do lesson study and read together and learn  together, but, ladies, these 
  new teachers are GREEN.  I work in a  WONDERFUL school--believe me I know I'm 
  blessed--where all teachers are very  very very hard-working and dedicated.  
  The new teachers work long hours  and are trying very hard, but they don't 
even 
  know what priorities are yet  because they're so busy pedaling.  Are we 
  helping them?  You  bet!  In addition to Collaboration time, we meet once a 
week to 
  help  them...and they're in my room daily with questions.  We had 175  
  applications for these 2 positions and we value our newbies; maybe I'm wrong  
in 
  thinking we can only pile on so much, but we didn't want to have them start  
te
  aching comprehension strategies when they haven't read ONE text yet. My  
  friend and I revere (and use daily) Keene, Miller, Harvey/Goudvis, and  
  Fountas/Pinnell.  Daily.  How can we expect these new teachers to  teach 
comprehension 
  strategies WITH NO BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE?

  Lest you  think I'm not trying, we had our first Collaboration on Thursday 
  and we came  up with our first cycle's focus: How does shared reading deepen  
  comprehension?  We plan to work on it with them, but it's hard for all of  
us.  
  Do you think we should just push them into comprehension strategy  
instruction 
  when they have NO prior knowledge and have done NO reading?  Do you think 
  they'll learn better by  doing?

  Thanks,
  Judy


  



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