----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:28 PM
  Subject: Fwd: [UC] Reality check


  I thought I saw Marty's name on the board list for UCD when I checked earlier 
this month.  
  I understand he was very present at the first Thursday with Jannie.
  Seems like he should have been the usual suspect for the committeeman7 
message.  Right?

  Paul

  Hey buddy,

  You can take pot shots at what I say on the list.  But now, you are engaging 
in this insinuation against people without any support.  It was always nutty to 
accuse a Blackwell associate of that post.  Now, you make this type of 
suggestion.  Shame on you.

  You need to ask the one who brought the report of the fraud, and launched the 
immediate investigations into voteforandytoy and committeeman 7; how the 
investigation proceeds.  I believe that was Mr. West, if I am not mistaken.

  Nnelg








  -----Original Message-----
  From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; University City List 
<UnivCity@list.purple.com>
  Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 6:25 pm
  Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check


  ----- Original Message ----- From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  To: "University City List" <UnivCity@list.purple.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:15 PM 
  Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check 
   
  > KAREN ALLEN wrote: 
  >> I thought John Fenton was under a gag order. If that's the case, he's >> 
not in a position to refute anything. 
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  > open questions: 
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  > are the other ucd employees that were involved with the malcolm x park > 
incident also under gag orders? 
   
  Excellent question! I hope they haven't been placed on a 2 week leave. 
   
  > 
  > also, is it true that marty and glenn bryan were removed from ucd's board? 
> when? were any reasons given why? 
   
  OK. This is what I know. I remember that Marty Cabry was on the UCD Board at 
the very beginning. Maybe 1999 or 2001? I had heard a long time ago that he had 
been removed rather than having quit. For me, the Councilmanwoman just 
confirmed what I had heard a long time ago. 
   
  What I think I heard on Thurs.? Councilwoman Blackwell suggesting that both 
he and Glenn Bryan were removed because of the long working relationship with 
her. I missed when Glenn Bryan was actually on the Board. It's my opinion that 
she is confirming what I've asserted, a UCD demand for secrecy. 
   
  A working relationship should have open communication pathways. Whether it's 
between a civic association and their members, or between a UCD and the 
community's elected representative; open communication needs to be encouraged. 
   
  I have no other information, but I think I understand her complaint. Why 
should she not have a representative on the board with whom she has a working 
relationship? The community depends on her to get the best information about 
what is going on, and if her contacts are removed; the open communication is 
blocked. 
   
  > 
  > and, is the full text of wendell's statement available publicly? when he > 
read it at last thursday's meeting, did he just happen to have a copy with > 
him, or had he been planning on reading it? 
   
  He read it when, I believe both Freda and I, called out, "will you confirm or 
deny" what the Councilwoman is telling us. He did not offer any copies of the 
statement, but read it from a paper. 
   
  That's what I experienced, 
   
  Glenn 
   
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  > UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN 
  > [aka laserbeam®] 
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  > SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. 
  > "It is very clear on this listserve who 
  > these people are. Ray has admitted being 
  > connected to this forger." -- Tony West 
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