I wish somebody would be wry and amusing. :-(
-Mariellen
At 05:18 PM 9/18/2007, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:
Mariellen Smith wrote:
Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for
people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to
debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore
the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs.
If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and
successful list.
I know you're trying to be wry and amusing here or whatever, and I
appreciate that, but, if we think about it, isn't 'discussing' what's
published -- whether in print or online -- pretty much what's always been
done? normally? publicly?
just because we may happen to be the ones actually creating the content,
having the conversation, doesn't mean we can't also discuss creating
content or talk about having conversations. also, quoting another listserv
or talking about what's posted on another website isn't gossip or bad
manners, any more than quoting a newspaper or a teevee show, nor does it
take any special philosophy or etiquette.
for example, when glenn writes about kyle's list, about list gangs and
penn-branded lists, and how kyle 'pre-banned' glenn from taking part in
kyle's list, I can point out (with urls) how melani lamond and ross bender
were posting to kyle's list before kyle ever announced it here on uclist
on july 28. so in addition to 'pre-banning' there was 'pre-enlisting'.
here's how that went [and anyone is free to publicly comment on it]:
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000001.html
Richard Cardona
Fri Jul 27
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University of Pennsylvania
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http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000002.html
Kyle Cassidy
Fri Jul 27
Testing...
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000004.html
Ross Bender
Fri Jul 27
OK, let's see what happens.
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000005.html
Kyle Cassidy
Fri Jul 27
excellent. welcome aboard. we'll see how this goes for a
few days. once more people get on, i'll experiment with
forced moderation. the cool thing about this software
is that i can pre-ban glenn!
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000006.html
Melani Lamond
Fri Jul 27
I'm in the Poconos, hoping to be sending the first email
to Kyle's new listserv - but there may be no one on the
list yet to receive it. Thanks, Kyle, and I look forward
to a productive, friendly, helpful list. We may be able
to DOUBLE the number of members the UC List has had, and
multiply the number of people willing to actually speak
up by a huge number, and really have a great
communication system for our neighborhood.
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000007.html
Melani Lamond
Fri Jul 27
kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
> the cool thing about this software is that i can
> pre-ban glenn!
This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where
you live.
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000008.html
Kyle Cassidy
Fri Jul 27
there are three of us on it now. there are only 300
people on the uc list. i don't think 600 would be
difficult to get.
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000009.html
Ross Bender
Fri Jul 27
Actually, 370 as of today. Impossible to tell how many
of those subscriber addresses are still active.
http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/000010.html
Kyle Cassidy
Fri Jul 27
it's such a nearly non-existent slice of this
neighborhood. 370 people. at least all the cranks are
isolated.
- - - - - - -
the problem with that last remark (besides its rudeness) is that there is
no such thing as being 'isolated' in the public square. uclist and kyle's
list are both publicly accessible, and participation in both is subject to
public scrutiny and public commentary.
..................
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
"It is very clear on this listserve who
these people are. Ray has admitted being
connected to this forger." -- Tony West
"Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
more believable" -- Tony West
