Tony,
Instead of trying to ridicule Ray, let's get to the point:
The HC and Zoning require there to be public meetings.
There has to be adequate notification so that everyone interested in coming
knows about the meeting. Newsletters to members of an organization is not
enough; there must be handbills, fliers, notices posted in public places or in
the newspaper to reach the general public, not just members.
Any public meeting has to be anounced enough days in advance to give everyone a
reasonable opportunity to change their schedules if need be.
The purpose of the meeting has to be listed clearly in the notifications and in
the meeting agenda so that people know it's going to be discussed. Speaking to
those who happened to be in attendance on other matters is not enough.
The SHCA meeting I attended did not even have Lussenhop on the agenda.
If you're claiming to have attended two public meetings with Lussenhop: how did
each of those meetings satisfy the above notice requirements?
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:24:08 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> UnivCity@list.purple.com> Subject: [UC] What you mean 'public', community
> man? (Was: Re: added details on the 400 S. 40th proposal)> > Ray,> > That
> depends on what you mean by "public."> > If you mean "complying with public
> statutes about public meetings", then > HC and ZBA procedures do have
> requirements for certain degrees of public > input. Lussenhop will have to
> meet these requirements, for sure; his > project, like any other, needs to be
> made public in that manner. The > community is entitled to whatever
> participation the law says it should > get, when the law says it should get
> it.> > Or do you mean instead that Lussenhop should go beyond the statutory >
> minimum? Probably he should. In a sense, he is already. In one month, > he's
> shown up at two very "public" meetings (in the sense that anyone > could have
> attended) which I was present at, for reasons unrelated to > him. Both arenas
> do feel like a part of my "public life". He put out > gobs of info and heard
> lots of feedback.> > I fear you are creating a conundrum for yourself, based
> on slippery and > contradictory definitions of "public". If any meetings
> beyond the > publicly required legal minimum are held, by definition no such
> meetings > can be truly "public". That's because no meeting organizer can
> assume > public liability for all that nasty technical stuff like
> notification, > etc. if there are in fact no public rules that govern it.
> Therefore all > such supernumerary "public" meetings must have an arbitrary,
> ad-hoc > "private" quality.> > That applies with equal force to a meeting
> organized by you, to fulfill > a dream of critiquing the project to your
> heart's content, as it would > to a meeting organized by Lussenhop, to
> fulfill a dream of not having to > listen to you at all. Otherwise, any
> faction could just keep declaring > that no community participation was
> "real" unless it led to the outcome > that faction desired.> > I'm all for
> hearing more about this project, and I know many others are. > I'll take
> advantage of any opportunity I come across to follow it. I > hope the
> community gets ample participation. The best way to ensure > that, is to
> encourage as many different forms of community interaction > as possible,
> without placing unreasonable expectations on any one of > them. That, to me,
> is "public life" at its best.> > Without a doubt, though, whenever the rubber
> hits the road on any > multi-million-dollar project like this, the final
> decisions will be made > by those public agents that hold the statutory
> authority to do so. > Neither you nor I will be deputized to make it for
> them, Ray. They like > their authority.> > -- Tony West> > > > this project
> needs to be made public and visible and clear -- now, > > with real
> participation from the community -- and lussenhop needs to > > pause, and
> listen, and stop fumbling his project through a half-filled > > stadium of
> half-informed onlookers. seriously.> >> > > ----> You are receiving this
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