Re: Panther on Upgraded PM 9600

[Roger Harris]

Will, I would agree that a Yikes model G4 is really only a B&W G3 with a 
G4 and a paint job. But; A B&W or a Yikes is very much faster than a 
9600 with the same clock speed G3/G4 upgrade. The Yikes does not have 
APG but does sport a 66 MHz PCI slot for the video card and these macs 
have 100 MHz system buses. The B&W will run Panther and I find it quite 
a bit snappier than Jaguar on these Macs.

I have a B&W with a 450 G4 upgrade that runs Panther and Jaguar very 
well. I have a 7300 400 G4 (Rage 128) and a beige G3 (Radion 7000) with 
a 450 G4 upgrade and they are very pedestrian with Jaguar. The Video on 
33 MHz PCI is slow enough that I can't tell the the difference between a 
Rage 128 and the Radion 7000 on these Macs.

I have seen the Sawtooth G4 for about $550 to $650 on the LEM swap list 
but it is still more rare than B&Ws (B&Ws are going for $170 to $300). 
In the next  two months prices will fall more as the the reality of $500 
refurbished G4 eMacs (AppleStore) and refurbished $1100 G4 1 GHz towers 
(Macsolutions Power Mac G4 1GHz/1MBL3/256/60GB/Combo/) come to roost on 
the second hand market.

A lot of G3 266 MHz boxes have been selling on LEM swoplist for under 
$50, and 450 G3 zif can be had for $60. Even with a stock video it will 
Make a PCI Mac look very sad in Jaguar. I would wait for a couple of 
months for APG Macs to take on better prices or spend $200 on a B&W. I 
agree about G3s and G4s; The difference only comes when using enhanced apps.

Roger



Will S wrote:

Well I'm going to go against the flow here and recommend upgrading the 
9600.
At least one of the posters doesn't realize you don't get  an AGP Video 
slot in the early G4 machines. They are really the same as the G3 B&W 
machines except a different color and a G4 CPU.Which means they use PCi 
for Video same as the G3 B&W.
Now if we're talking AGP G4 that is another story but I've not seen them 
selling for less the $650 yet and most are more then that.
A faster G4 and a Radeon 7000 PCI card( The PC version can be had for 
$39.00 and flashed to Mac though some of these can no longer be flashed 
to Mac) and you will have a nice machine still. Do you need a G4 CPU? 
photoshop and Video encoding will be much faster with the G4 but do you 
use these much?  Will S


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